Any Pro-Gun Liberals?

[Diederick]

I always have a Glock 9mm under the driver's seat of the van and always will.

Gun control is to me like abortion: if you don't believe in it, don't get one, and otherwise mind your own business.

The gun control panic by hunters, self-defense advocates, etc. stymied much social progress. People were tricked into voting against themselves and as a liberal i have to say it was our own dang fault.

Guns kill people, your fists don't. It takes much more preparation to kill someone without a gun than it does with one. Gun control protects you, whether you like it or not.

I take it you "don't believe in abortion", how is that liberal?

 

[Father Heathen]

Guns kill people, your fists don't. It takes much more preparation to kill someone without a gun than it does with one. Gun control protects you, whether you like it or not.

How? If the government enacted a ban, would it cause the guns in the possession of criminals to magically disintegrate?

I take it you "don't believe in abortion", how is that liberal?

How did you surmise that? She said: "Gun control is to me like abortion: if you don't believe in it, don't get one, and otherwise mind your own business." In other words, if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. Don't believe in owning guns, don't buy one.

 

[DarkSun]

How did you surmise that? She said: "Gun control is to me like abortion: if you don't believe in it, don't get one, and otherwise mind your own business." In other words, if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. Don't believe in owning guns, don't buy one.

I just got whacked in the face with a projectile fetus... Do you think I'll be alright?

 

[Father Heathen]

I just got whacked in the face with a projectile fetus... Do you think I'll be alright?

Then the government should ban conception for everyone's safety.

 

[PureX]

I think it's mostly only pus*sies who need to own guns for self protection. The bigger the pus*sy, the bigger the gun he wants to own. Real girly-men are the ones that think they have to have M-16s and AK-47s and the like. They are far too immature to be allowed to actually have them. This is how I look at people and guns.

Never-the-less, my position is this: anyone who wants to own a gun should be able to. However, they should be tested and licensed regularly just as any police officer is in the handling, use, and legalities of carrying deadly weapons. Hunters who own long guns would have a less stringent license regiment, while those who want to own and carry concealed semi-automatic hand guns would have the most stringent license regiment. Fully automatic weapons should be illegal to the general public.

My idea is this: I don't want to ban the guns. But I do want to regulate them so as to keep them out of the hands of idiots. If someone has a history of drunk driving, for example, I do not want them owning a gun. They have already proven themselves to be irresponsible with potentially deadly machinery. Same with anyone convicted of criminal behavior. Same for people with mental and emotional disorders. And the consequences of being caught carrying a gun illegally should be extremely harsh.

Most of the people in this country that are killed by guns are not killed by robbers or burglars, but by friends and family members who are drunk, drugged up, or otherwise behaving irrationally. It's these people who we need to keep the guns away from. And they are not all that difficult to identify. They tend to have histories of stupid and dangerous behavior. And they tend to make poor choices on a consistent basis. Any good and thorough weapons training and licensing program would find them out, easily.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think it's mostly only pus*sies who need to own guns for self protection. The bigger the pus*sy, the bigger the gun he wants to own. Real girly-men are the ones that think they have to have M-16s and AK-47s and the like. They are far too immature to be allowed to actually have them. This is how I look at people and guns.

Does anyone else spot the irony?

 

[J Bryson]

Does anyone else spot the irony?

*raises hand*

Me! Me!

 

[PureX]

It's too bad that in being so cognizant of irony, you all have nothing whatever to offer to the conversation. I guess you must have used up all your mental powers recognizing the irony, and are now left speechless and spent. (*snickering*)

 

[Father Heathen]

It's too bad that in being so cognizant of irony, you all have nothing whatever to offer to the conversation. I guess you must have used up all your mental powers recognizing the irony, and are now left speechless and spent. (*snickering*)

You haven't even offered anything that wasn't already said and already refuted earlier in the thread, which you obviously haven't read.

 

[PureX]

You haven't even offered anything that wasn't already said and already refuted earlier in the thread, which you obviously haven't read.

It's difficult to refute common sense. Keeping the guns away from the idiots among us would seem to me to be just common sense. And I don't believe it would be that difficult as we're dealing with idiots, after all: drunks, drug addicts, hotheads and emotional retards and the like. We could easily identify most of them with a stringent weapons licensing program. And the many who are successfully licensed will be well trained and educated on how and when they can use deadly force. Seems like a win/win, to me.

So I'm curious who "refuted" this idea in previous posts, and how. In fact, I doubt this solution was even mentioned.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's difficult to refute common sense. Keeping the guns away from the idiots among us would seem to me to be just common sense.

I wasn't referring to that, I was referring to the childish notion that owning a firearm makes one a "*****", as if wanting to defend oneself and protect ones family and/or property is cowardly.

 

[gzusfrk]

I'll us my guns for self defense, but I got them to shoot cause its fun.

 

[PureX]

I wasn't referring to that, I was referring to the childish notion that owning a firearm makes one a "*****", as if wanting to defend oneself and protect ones family and/or property is cowardly.

Well, you put it that way and I do sound kind of silly, I guess. I suppose I was just trying to get a rise out of someone. But to tell the truth, listening to (or seeing) these guys brag about their guns really turns me off for some reason. It all seems so childish, and so foolish, when guns are nothing if not a serious subject, and a serious matter.

We here in the U.S. kill each other with guns in wildly greater proportions than anywhere else on the planet. And part of the reason this is so is because we have idiotically cavalier attitudes toward guns and the use of deadly force as a response to whatever problem we might have with our fellow human beings. We think of killing as the first, last, and only solution, way too often.

And I'll tell you something. I really believe that a lot of men buy guns because it jacks their testosterone levels, and NOT because they want to protect anyone. They get off on the power trip that owning deadly weapons gives them.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well, you put it that way and I do sound kind of silly, I guess. I suppose I was just trying to get a rise out of someone. But to tell the truth, listening to (or seeing) these guys brag about their guns really turns me off for some reason. It all seems so childish, and so foolish, when guns are nothing if not a serious subject, and a serious matter.

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't group the obsessive fetishists who stockpile arsenals with people who own a firearm for self defense/home defense or sensible, responsible hobbyists who skeet shoot and such.

We here in the U.S. kill each other with guns in wildly greater proportions than anywhere else on the planet. And part of the reason this is so is because we have idiotically cavalier attitudes toward guns and the use of deadly force as a response to whatever problem we might have with our fellow human beings. We think of killing as the first, last, and only solution, way too often.

I think the crime and violence has more to do with cultural, sociological and psychological issues than it does with the availability of guns.

And I'll tell you something. I really believe that a lot of men buy guns because it jacks their testosterone levels, and NOT because they want to protect anyone. They get off on the power trip that owning deadly weapons gives them.

People tend to be that way with motor vehicles, too.

 

[Rough_ER]

The reason guns are probably a bad idea in the USA is that people seem to enjoy using them on each other so much. It's not a problem in other countries like Switzerland, where although most men (due to reasons of military tradition) own a gun and keep it locked up at home, the level of gun crime is reasonably low.

To be honest, and I'm not trying to sound combative here, I 've found some of the comments in this thread quite revealing. Hearing people talk in such technical detail about their guns, where they keep them, how much they "love" them and how they would be perfectly willing to use them to kill a human being, it's pretty hard to believe that there isn't a touch of male testicle size bragging about the whole thing.

Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.

 

[Father Heathen]

The reason guns are probably a bad idea in the USA is that people seem to enjoy using them on each other so much. It's not a problem in other countries like Switzerland, where although most men (due to reasons of military tradition) own a gun and keep it locked up at home, the level of gun crime is reasonably low.

To be honest, and I'm not trying to sound combative here, I 've found some of the comments in this thread quite revealing. Hearing people talk in such technical detail about their guns, where they keep them, how much they "love" them and how they would be perfectly willing to use them to kill a human being, it's pretty hard to believe that there isn't a touch of male testicle size bragging about the whole thing.

Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.

And knifes might be a bad idea in the UK, what with the rise of all of those "chavs" stabbing people. Seriously though, I don't think removing an inanimate object from the equation (at the expense of the rights and liberty of law abiding citizens) is enough to solve the complex cultural/social issues of crime and violence.

 

[Rough_ER]

And knifes might be a bad idea in the UK, what with the rise of all of those "chavs" stabbing people. Seriously though, I don't think removing an inanimate object from the equation (at the expense of the rights and liberty of law abiding citizens) is enough to solve the complex cultural/social issues of crime and violence.

I think you know why knives are a different story... and you'll find that the rates of injury/death are not TOO bad considering the fact that knives are available in anyone's kitchen. The number of shootings and gun-related deaths in the USA should be proof enough to anyone that something needs to change. I agree that culture is the problem, gun culture. The culture of loving and worshiping guns.

I would agree with you partially if people weren't so obviously aroused by the act of owning a gun. It's a disturbing thing to hear.

 

[PureX]

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't group the obsessive fetishists who stockpile arsenals with people who own a firearm for self defense/home defense or sensible, responsible hobbyists who skeet shoot and such.

I agree. But I know guys who shoot skeet as a hobby, and I don't see them getting off on the idea that their guns are deadly weapons so much. In fact, they buy guns very specific to their hobby (target and skeet shooting) and do not tend to own guns that were designed for their ability to kill human beings.

I think the crime and violence has more to do with cultural, sociological and psychological issues than it does with the availability of guns.

It has to do with easy access, and easy use, too. We kill each other more often here in the U.S. because we mix irrational behavior (alcohol, drugs, rage, and emotional retardation) with easy access to very deadly weapons. Even a stumbling drunk can kill someone very easily and quickly with a semi-automatic hand gun that he keeps loaded with a full clip in a place that he can reach without thinking twice.

AVAILABILITY MATTERS.

People tend to be that way with motor vehicles, too.

Yes, and they are dangerous as well. The difference is that automobiles have a different purpose. Guns are built to kill quickly and easily.

 

[Rough_ER]

I agree. But I know guys who shoot skeet as a hobby, and I don't see them getting off on the idea that their guns are deadly weapons so much. In fact, they buy guns very specific to their hobby (target and skeet shooting) and do not tend to own guns that were designed for their ability to kill human beings.
It has to do with easy access, and easy use, too. We kill each other more often here in the U.S. because we mix irrational behavior (alcohol, drugs, rage, and emotional retardation) with easy access to very deadly weapons. Even a stumbling drunk can kill someone very easily and quickly with a semi-automatic hand gun that he keeps loaded with a full clip in a place that he can reach without thinking twice.

AVAILABILITY MATTERS.
Yes, and they are dangerous as well. The difference is that automobiles have a different purpose. Guns are built to kill quickly and easily.

Oh bugger, good post. This makes me look like a bit of a ranting moron. Nevermind! =P

 

[Father Heathen]

I agree that culture is the problem, gun culture. The culture of loving and worshiping guns.

So if a ban on guns was enacted, criminals would willingly surrender their arms, gangs would disband, abusive homes and negative environments would become healthy and wholesome, and poverty and poor education would simply disappear?