Any Pro-Gun Liberals?

[Rough_ER]

So if a ban on guns was enacted, criminals would willingly surrender their arms, gangs would disband, abusive homes and negative environments would become healthy and wholesome, and poverty and poor education would simply disappear?

No, the rate of gun crime would come into line with that of the UK and similar countries.

 

[Father Heathen]

No, the rate of gun crime would come into line with that of the UK and similar countries.

Because criminals would comply and willingly surrender their guns, right?

 

[Rough_ER]

Because criminals would comply and willingly surrender their guns, right?

No. Gangs in the UK have guns, they usually use them on members of other gangs. Same with knife crime - most of it occurs between people having disputes over "respect" and gang affairs. Criminals will always have guns, and they will always use them, luckily mainly on each other.

 

[Father Heathen]

No. Gangs in the UK have guns, they usually use them on members of other gangs. Same with knife crime - most of it occurs between people having disputes over "respect" and gang affairs. Criminals will always have guns, and they will always use them, luckily mainly on each other.

So how will taking guns away from responsible, law abiding citizens change anything, except make them defenseless against the criminals who still have theirs?

 

[Rough_ER]

So how will taking guns away from responsible, law abiding citizens change anything, except make them defenseless against the criminals who still have theirs?

Come over here and find out. In fact, go to ANY country where owning a gun is illegal unless you are a farmer/need one for game control etc. Maybe this is hard to believe, but there are not thousands people running around the streets randomly killing innocents. There are armed robberies, of course, but the point is that it's better to give them your money and live than to try and draw a gun and die. Or worse, have to live having pulled your trigger before they did.

 

[Father Heathen]

Come over here and find out. In fact, go to ANY country where owning a gun is illegal unless you are a farmer/need one for game control etc.

I repeat: a ban would not make the guns already in circulation, and in the hands of criminals, magically disappear, so looking at the U.K.'s rates means nothing.

Maybe this is hard to believe, but there are not thousands people running around the streets randomly killing innocents.

That doesn't happen here, either. Gun violence might be common in inner-city ghettos, but that has more to do with gangs, poverty and poor education.

There are armed robberies, of course, but the point is that it's better to give them your money and live than to try and draw a gun and die.

What if their intention was to physically harm or kill you anyway, or to rape you if were a woman?

Or worse, have to live having pulled your trigger before they did.

I'm not sure that saving my own life, or my family's lives, would be something to feel guilty about.

 

[Rough_ER]

Eek. I don't think you got a single one of my points. That's probably my fault though, it's late, I'm tired and I'm not communicating my ideas with much clarity. I'll come back after some sleep and elucidate, promise!

 

[PureX]

So if a ban on guns was enacted, criminals would willingly surrender their arms, gangs would disband, abusive homes and negative environments would become healthy and wholesome, and poverty and poor education would simply disappear?

If there were a ban on guns, and it was strictly enforced, we would see a huge improvement in the number of gun deaths. Especially over time, because it would take a long time for the ban to have an effect given the number of guns already out there.

But the problem isn't guns, it's guns in the hands of idiots. We will never eliminate the idiots from among us. Nor will we eliminate the guns. But the combination is killing us and we need to start doing something to stop them from combining. And I don't believe this would be all that difficult. It just requires sensible licensing processes and focussed restrictions.

 

[DarkSun]

I'm not sure that saving my own life, or my family's lives, would be something to feel guilty about.

What if you believed you were in a life-threatening situation and you pulled the trigger... only to find out that it was a misunderstanding?

 

[Green Gaia]

I'll us my guns for self defense, but I got them to shoot cause its fun.

Since when are you a liberal?

 

[McBell]

What if you believed you were in a life-threatening situation and you pulled the trigger... only to find out that it was a misunderstanding?

I would feel bad, but not guilty.

 

[gzusfrk]

Since when are you a liberal?

only a liberal can have fun or own a gun?

 

[Storm]

Only a liberal can post in the Liberal Only section. Hence the name.

 

[gzusfrk]

I shall refrain from future post.

 

[Green Gaia]

only a liberal can have fun or own a gun?

Did you read the title of the thread?

 

[gzusfrk]

yes I did, but being dumb as I am I thought it meant "gun liberal" I did not see it was in liberal forum.I just woke up.

 

[DarkSun]

I would feel bad, but not guilty.

The victim's family would feel pretty upset, I would imagine.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

only a liberal can have fun or own a gun?

Iraq has taught us that conservatives lack the judgment required to be anywhere close to guns.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The reason guns are probably a bad idea in the USA is that people seem to enjoy using them on each other so much. It's not a problem in other countries like Switzerland,

Israeli rabbi shot in Switzerland - Europe, World - The Independent

Four years after renowned French financier Edouard Stern was found shot dead in his Geneva home, the trial of the woman accused of his killing has opened in the city. - swissinfo

Domestic killings shock Swiss (Gun laws questioned) - Democratic Underground

To name a few.....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I think you know why knives are a different story... and you'll find that the rates of injury/death are not TOO bad considering the fact that knives are available in anyone's kitchen. The number of shootings and gun-related deaths in the USA should be proof enough to anyone that something needs to change. I agree that culture is the problem, gun culture. The culture of loving and worshiping guns.

I would agree with you partially if people weren't so obviously aroused by the act of owning a gun. It's a disturbing thing to hear.

You make it sound like we here are making them and just selling them to everyone like candy. A lot of the guns aren't even made in this country and a vast majority are smuggled in and sold on the streets here. Sure we can put stringent punishments and enact tough laws on the actual law abiding gun buyer or hunter but this does nothing for those who sell and buy outside the law. we can't punish them with these laws until they are caught. My friends talk about their guns and bows because they are law abiding hunters who take precautions in securing their weapons....They're not some street thug running around talking about how they gonna pop a cap in somebodies azzz because they stepped on his sneakers or looked at his girl...Crimes involving guns is EVERYWHERE....even in "Switzerland".....