Any Pro-Gun Liberals?

[enchanted_one1975]

Drivers have to have practical test and drive amongst others.
Perhaps Gun owners should have to be able to survive a 15 minute general mele/ shoot out, on a normal surburban street, before they get their licence.

Some states require practical shooting courses to obtain a concealed carry permit. Ownership for US Citizens is guaranteed by the Second Amendment of our Constitution's Bill of Rights. While a driver may need to pass a test to drive upon a public roadway, they do not need to be tested to purchase a vehicle.

 

[Darkness]

I want a Walther P99 QPQ, so I cannot be anti-gun.

 

[Father Heathen]

Drivers have to have practical test and drive amongst others.
Perhaps Gun owners should have to be able to survive a 15 minute general mele/ shoot out, on a normal surburban street, before they get their licence.

What a retarded analogy. Not that I would've expected an intelligent one. Driving tests aren't demolition derbies, are they? So obviously a shootout is a dumb comparison. It's telling how people who oppose gun rights approach the issue with an emotional, knee-jerk reaction rather than with a rational, informed stance.

However gun licenses should obviously require proper training and background checks before hand.

 

[DallasApple]

I dont know..

The "driving a car" thing is kind of a bad comparison.For most of us having a liscense to drive is more of a neccessity..A neccesity in a sense our lives and productivetly are greatly enhanced by being able to drive.

I mean I guess what Im trying to say is I woudl be terrified if everyone who drove a car was also carrying a loaded gun.

Guns are "more deadly" IOW a seatbelt and an air bag does little to protect my head from a bullet someone decides to shoot at me niether does "defensive shooting" And most of us I woudl say the majority have little to no need for one to accomplish our daily routines more efficiently.

However..I do believe we should have the "right" to own a weapon.But for what purpose is the question in my mind.

Most people dont get their drivers liscence and buy a car just in case they need to kill someone with it.

I dont know..

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Most people dont get their drivers liscence and buy a car just in case they need to kill someone with it.

The very mast majority of gun owners buy their gun hoping they never have to point their gun at another person, much less discharge it in that situation.

A better analogy toward owning a gun "just in case" would be to compare it to insurance. Why buy auto, health, homeowners, or life insurance knowing very well you hope to never file a claim?

 

[DallasApple]

The very mast majority of gun owners buy their gun hoping they never have to point their gun at another person, much less discharge it in that situation.

A better analogy toward owning a gun "just in case" would be to compare it to insurance. Why buy auto, health, homeowners, or life insurance knowing very well you hope to never file a claim?

Its not "insurance " though.Very rarely is the story" thank God I had a gun".For the most part its "accidental shootings" and " domestic violence involving gun ownership.

And the analogy of "insurance" is faulted IMHO..Health and home owners and car insurance cant kill you.There is no "accidental death by car insurance" that I know of.

I have had all of them..The "just in case factor" for insurance comes in handy .The "just in case" for having a loaded gun is a deadly potential hazzard.

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Its not "insurance " though.Very rarely is the story" thank God I had a gun".For the most part its "accidental shootings" and " domestic violence involving gun ownership.

Both of those incidents are due to irresponsible use or handling of the firearm. Such can be compared to reckless or drunk driving. I have never heard of an automobile accident taking place that was not caused by a law being broken.

 

[Humanistheart]

I always have a Glock 9mm under the driver's seat of the van and always will.

Gun control is to me like abortion: if you don't believe in it, don't get one, and otherwise mind your own business.

The gun control panic by hunters, self-defense advocates, etc. stymied much social progress. People were tricked into voting against themselves and as a liberal i have to say it was our own dang fault.

I a fairly liberal but do not have a hard core opinion on gun controll. It sounds like a great idea in theory but in practice the current laws on it do not seem to be helping much, which makes me wonder why bother? But again, I'm not particularly familiar or informed on this topic so I tend to take the same tact you do and just say, since I don't want a gun, I wont buy one.

 

[DallasApple]

Both of those incidents are due to irresponsible use or handling of the firearm. Such can be compared to reckless or drunk driving. I have never heard of an automobile accident taking place that was not caused by a law being broken.

I have..

No law is broken when you are sliding on ice..No law is broken when you have a blow out. No law is broken if you have to swerve to avoid hitting an animal in the road.No law is broken when a storm hits and hail hits your house so hard it smashes the windows out of your house...no law is broken when you are hit with a medical problem ...

If you have never heard of a car accident happening that "no law wasn't broken " you havent been around very long..Not to mention you compared a "gun being insurance" to not only car but home and medical insurance.

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

No law is broken when you are sliding on ice..

Too fast for conditions

No law is broken when you have a blow out.

Failure to maintain safe equipment

No law is broken if you have to swerve to avoid hitting an animal in the road.

If you get in one accident to avoid another then the result is not an accident, it is a choice.

No law is broken when a storm hits and hail hits your house so hard it smashes the windows out of your house...no law is broken when you are hit with a medical problem ...

These are not auto accidents.

If you have never heard of a car accident happening that "no law wasn't broken " you havent been around very long.

I am a former police officer and I am only 7 years younger than you.

***Correction - I am 8 years younger than you. I forgot you had a birthday recently. ***

Not to mention you compared a "gun being insurance" to not only car but home and medical insurance.

Yes, in the fact that nobody should ever want to file a claim the way that nobody should ever want to kill another person.

Defense weapons are not designed to kill. They are designed to eliminate a threat.

 

[DallasApple]

Too fast for conditions

Not so honey..sometimes a two ton car on rubber wheels slides on ice ..Period...

Failure to maintain safe equipment

Its not failure to maintain..on the road you dont have your tires checked every mile honey.And it can happen with any mile..

If you get in one accident to avoid another then the result is not an accident, it is a choice.

But it would be an accident either way..Not failure ..

These are not auto accidents.

Yes they are and not ony that you compared home and medical insurance to owning a gun..

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Too fast for conditions

Not so honey..sometimes a two ton car on rubber wheels slides on ice ..Period...

Any time that unsafe conditions exist it is the driver's responsibility to not drive. The ultimate decision is made by the person that turns the key. If you cannot keep traction on the road your vehicle should not be in motion. Just like if you don't know how to handle your gun you should not pick it up and load it.

Failure to maintain safe equipment

Its not failure to maintain..on the road you dont have your tires checked every mile honey.And it can happen with any mile..

You should check it before each trip and every time you stop. Nobody does, but it is something you should do. Just like with weather conditions, the responsibility lies with the driver to not operate an unsafe vehicle.

If you get in one accident to avoid another then the result is not an accident, it is a choice.

But it would be an accident either way..Not failure ..

An accident is not done on purpose. If you purposely hit something to avoid something else you are still liable for damages.

As I am currently a professional driver, I look around and I see some of the things that people do. It AMAZES me how easily they give people driver's licenses. It amazes me more that the majority of law enforcement don't know how to write anything other than a speeding ticket. I guess it is fun to chase.

 

[DallasApple]

Any time that unsafe conditions exist it is the driver's responsibility to not drive. The ultimate decision is made by the person that turns the key. If you cannot keep traction on the road your vehicle should not be in motion. Just like if you don't know how to handle your gun you should not pick it up and load it.



You should check it before each trip and every time you stop. Nobody does, but it is something you should do. Just like with weather conditions, the responsibility lies with the driver to not operate an unsafe vehicle.



An accident is not done on purpose. If you purposely hit something to avoid something else you are still liable for damages.

As I am currently a professional driver, I look around and I see some of the things that people do. It AMAZES me how easily they give people driver's licenses. It amazes me more that the majority of law enforcement don't know how to write anything other than a speeding ticket. I guess it is fun to chase.

You must not know gun weilding people..

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

You must not know gun weilding people..

I own several, but I own them responsibly.

 

[Father Heathen]

Its not "insurance " though.Very rarely is the story" thank God I had a gun".For the most part its "accidental shootings" and " domestic violence involving gun ownership.

And the analogy of "insurance" is faulted IMHO..Health and home owners and car insurance cant kill you.There is no "accidental death by car insurance" that I know of.

I have had all of them..The "just in case factor" for insurance comes in handy .The "just in case" for having a loaded gun is a deadly potential hazzard.

Love

Dallas

So you're saying a woman shouldn't be allowed the means to defend herself against an assailant who might be 3 times her size?

 

[DallasApple]

So you're saying a woman shouldn't be allowed the means to defend herself against an assailant who might be 3 times her size?

No that is not what Im saying.My mother has owned a gun all my life.It made her feel safer even though I think the reality is if she had ever been attacked by someone 3 times her size she wouldnt have a chance to even get to her gun.

Love

Dallas

 

[Buttons*]

I have a friend who's fiercely liberal, and she believes 100% in gun ownership within the US

 

[enchanted_one1975]

No that is not what Im saying.My mother has owned a gun all my life.It made her feel safer even though I think the reality is if she had ever been attacked by someone 3 times her size she wouldnt have a chance to even get to her gun.

Are you saying that because your mother did not keep her gun within reach that nobody else does? If I am carrying on any given day, my handgun is less than two seconds from being ready to fire on target.

 

[DallasApple]

Are you saying that because your mother did not keep her gun within reach that nobody else does? If I am carrying on any given day, my handgun is less than two seconds from being ready to fire on target.

Nope thats not what Im saying.

Love


Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Nope thats not what Im saying.

Well okay then I may share my pizza with you the next time I am in Dallas. I am still gonna hog all the wings though.