DarkSun
:eltiT
You do realise that in a world without guns, no one would need one?
When America is the single worst country in the world when it comes to gun deaths, it really says something, don't you think?
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Any Pro-Gun Liberals?
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You do realise that in a world without guns, no one would need one?
When America is the single worst country in the world when it comes to gun deaths, it really says something, don't you think?
Smoke
Done here.
Anyone would, if they HAD to. The question is, under what circumstances do you think you have to?
Explain that to a 90 pound woman who is being raped by a 350 pound man.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
An intruder in your home, or trying to break in. I don't have a problem killing someone trespassing, either. Recently a neighbor shot and killed someone trespassing in his backyard. It turns out that he (the fella trespassing) had just murdered another neighbor and was armed, waiting to ambush police that were looking for him.
Also, I have no problem at all with business owners killing armed people who are trying to steal from them. Good for them.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Everyone.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I'm both a liberal and a gun owner.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Right, right.
So shoot the guy who's raping that woman. Better still, shoot him in the leg, burst a blood vessel, and watch him bleed to death. Then you can explain to the family why that guy died. Of course they're going to be relieved that the woman is safe, and of course they're going to be repulsed by their next of kin's actions, but as soon as he goes, there will be a massive hole in their hearts forever.
Wouldn't it have been better to just call the police?
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DarkSun
:eltiT
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Not unless the police have some sort of teleporter technology so they can arrive before the victim is brutally penetrated by her assailant.
Are you seriously trying to suggest it's better to allow a woman to be raped than to wound or kill her attacker to prevent it? Try actually thinking this through and come up with a rational argument rather than soppy prattle.
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Its better to stop her being raped and not kill the rapist.
You have no problem shooting any trespasser? Say it is late and you seen someone in your garden and you shoot them. How would you feel if it was a kid taking a short cut through your garden to get home? Imagine being that child's parents, in my mind that would make you nothing less than a murderer.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What method do you propose to be the most effective in achieving that? Your wording of "stop her being raped" is kind of odd. Do you mean to prevent it, or merely interrupt it? Also, I kind of doubt that the well being of their attacker is the first thing on a victim's mind. Why exactly is it something to be concerned about, anyway? Prevention and protection should probably take precedence, no?
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Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
That would be illegal. Generally, shooting someone simply because they are on your property is against the law. They must be on your property and present a clear and present danger or they must force their way inside your home.
I remember an event my mom told me about when she was a kid. She was home at night with her mom and siblings, my grandpa wasn't there. My Grandma heard something jiggling the back door. She saw someone attempting to break into the house. She flipped on the hall light thinking the burglar would leave. He didn't, he kept picking the lock. Now she could have called the cops, and then waited up to 5 minutes, by then the burglar would have been inside the house he knew was occupied. Instead she got the shotgun out and stuck the barrel of the gun around the corner so it could be seen from the back door. The second the burglar saw the gun he fled. However, if she would have shot the burglar before he entered the house, it would have been against the law.
Prevent is preferable obviously but I know it is not always possible. Non-lethal self defence is a good option. Pepper spray or a personal alarm would be good things.
Killing them is to easy. They should be forced to live with it for the rest of their live, and castrated.
Even still someone comes into your home so you shoot them? I think robbery hardly deserves death. Alarm systems are a good idea and more common sense. Make sure all windows and doors are secure.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
If someone enters your place of residence without being invited in, you can rest assured that he intends to do some type of mischief....Are you going to sit and wait until he pulls a knife or a gun or you? by then it may be too late for your response. If someone enters my house and I say "Stop" and he continues toward me, then I will consider my life is threatened.....If I have no other way to get out, then I guess it is him or me.......Sorry but when you enter a home without an invitation your risking your life.....
I always carry my 38 and will always keep it with me and close by at night or when traveling.....My son has a philosophy, "it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. It has not been but a couple of years ago that a family of Jehova Witnesses were traveling home from a church function and stopped in a rest area, where several teenagers took them and their vehicle, killing the parents and all the children except one......
I am not going to risk my life or the life of my family because I neglect to have a proper method of self defense.
Zephyr
Moved on
The police have no legal obligation to protect you.
Besides, have you seen how long it takes them to get places? Even if they could theoretically get anywhere they need to be in just 3 minutes (which they can't. Not even close), that's 3 minutes where the woman could have easily been raped or killed. Then the police finally get there and there's a good chance you have yourself a dead woman. Besides, in that situation, think you could whip out a phone, call 911, and coherently explain what you need? Just calling the police is a good way to get yourself killed in many cases, while simply shooting the rapist could completely end the situation in mere seconds.
I don't give a damn about the rapist's family in this case. When it could come down to either your life or his, you kill. It's that simple.
whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
I don't have any guns. My dad has a lot of them though. I've got knives instead.
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
I have a roomate that's a pro-gun liberal.
There's a guy who doesn't trust his government for anything... yet wants to see this country have national healthcare.
Would you want the person performing surgery on you to be taking orders from the same guys who you believe masterminded the attacks on 9/11 despite what the media told everyone?
He's a cool guy to hang out with... but his politics simply boggle me.
There's a guy who doesn't trust his government for anything... yet wants to see this country have national healthcare.
Would you want the person performing surgery on you to be taking orders from the same guys who you believe masterminded the attacks on 9/11 despite what the media told everyone?
He's a cool guy to hang out with... but his politics simply boggle me.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I hope you're not implying that all liberals buy the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy, but maybe your friend thinks he will be able to trust the government once the right people are placed in office.