Any Pro-Gun Liberals?

[gzusfrk]

Want to hear something insane. On the form you have to fill out here in the usa to own a gun,it is sent to the atf they do the back ground check.on the form it ask if you have ever been commented to a mental instutution just check no the atf cant do a medical background,medical records are sealed.yea its true insane but true,And the gov says we that is the people have gun problems. what a joke

 

[Rough_ER]

Even with phychological screening and police-grade training, I'd worry about meeting the person who carries a concealed weapon on a bad day, or getting caught in the crossfire when this individual decides to be Rambo and save some old lady from a mugger. For me, even contemplating the idea of the public carrying concealed weapons is disturbing. Again, maybe I should toughen up. =P

 

[painted wolf]

Even with phychological screening and police-grade training, I'd worry about meeting the person who carries a concealed weapon on a bad day, or getting caught in the crossfire when this individual decides to be Rambo and save some old lady from a mugger. For me, even contemplating the idea of the public carrying concealed weapons is disturbing. Again, maybe I should toughen up. =P

I think you've been watching too much bad TV about America.

wa:do

 

[Rough_ER]

I think you've been watching too much bad TV about America.

wa:do

Why does this person need to keep a concealed weapon if it will never be used, then?

For the record, I live in America for a few months out of every year, as stated earlier. My girlfriend lives in Louisiana and I spend as much time with her as my visa allows me. Don't think I'm just some foppish English idiot with no idea about anything other than tea and crumpets. =P

 

[painted wolf]

Why does this person need to keep a concealed weapon if it will never be used, then?

I have a friend with a concealed carry permit because he doesn't want to be bothered when he brings his guns to the shooting range. He doesn't feel like hanging them in his car window
like a hick.

For the record, I live in America for a few months out of every year, as stated earlier. My girlfriend lives in Louisiana and I spend as much time with her as my visa allows me. Don't think I'm just some foppish English idiot with no idea about anything other than tea and crumpets

For the record... I'd never think of anyone as the "foppish English idiot with no idea about anything other than tea and crumpets". I'm not the "ignorant of other cultures/nations American who stereotypes foreigners ".

wa:do

 

[Rough_ER]

I have a friend with a concealed carry permit because he doesn't want to be bothered when he brings his guns to the shooting range. He doesn't feel like hanging them in his car window
like a hick.
wa:do

Okay, so that's your friend...

 

[painted wolf]

That's the only person I know who has one.... they aren't that easy to get and thus not that common.

wa:do

 

[Rough_ER]

That's the only person I know who has one.... they aren't that easy to get and thus not that common.

wa:do

"Under current federal legal precedent, it is constitutional under the Second Amendment for states to have concealed carry licensing that permits concealed carried weapons, or even not to require any permits for concealed carry weapons; for example, any legal gun owner in the state of Vermont may carry concealed weapons with no permitting required."

Not all that hard to come by it seems, depending on location.

Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The claim is referenced fully.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Most gun deaths are accidental anyway... this is why we need comprehensive education for gun owners.

I still say that owning a gun should be like owning a car... you need to pass an exam and be licensed and registered. You should have to have both license and registration updated regularly. Misuse or miscare of the guns will cost points on the license and those that are unable or unwilling to be responsible owners can loose their license.

wa:do

I think I can agree to this.....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Obviously shooting someone is beyond a few points...
Points would be for mis-care of the guns... not keeping them secure, keeping them loaded so on and so forth that lead to accidental shootings.

Once a shooting happens then you get treated like you would if you hit someone with your car... ie, you go to trial and/or jail. You also loose your license. (for how long would have to be worked out).

wa:do

And...pay some hefty fines and do some community service..........

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Woops.... this is me looking silly...

Suicide is the top gun killer in the USA... 55% of all deaths from guns.
Statistics, Facts and Quotes

my bad... :run:

wa:do

Yep... that's what I was saying....

I think sometimes people look at what's going on in the metropolitan area (MD, DV and VA)...from the news and get some sort of sense that a lot of the US is like this but that may not be the case. There is some truth to what Purex and others are saying but the statistics point in other directions...

 

[painted wolf]

glad I'm not in Vermont.... not that Vermont is exactly a hotbed of crime...

Anyway, you should read the rest of the article.

Nine states have "may issue" or "discretionary issue" laws requiring the applicant to demonstrate specific "need".[5] These "may issue" states range from "shall issue" in practice, such as Alabama, Connecticut and Iowa[5] to "at the whim of local officials", such as New York, Massachusetts, and California, (where rural officials more liberally issue permits but urban officials seldom do) to "almost non-issue" in states such as Maryland, New Jersey and Hawaii where, though state law allows for the issuance of permits, officials rarely choose to issue them under any circumstances.[12]

Not all states allow concealed carry either... It goes back to the fun that is states rights. There are also laws as to where you can and can't carry a gun regardless of the permit... "opt out" and "grey zones" for example. (Schools, Churches, Government buildings and some businesses for example)

wa:do

 

[Rough_ER]

glad I'm not in Vermont.... not that Vermont is exactly a hotbed of crime...

Anyway, you should read the rest of the article.



Not all states allow concealed carry either... It goes back to the fun that is states rights. There are also laws as to where you can and can't carry a gun regardless of the permit... "opt out" and "grey zones" for example. (Schools, Churches, Government buildings and some businesses for example)

wa:do

I read the whole of the article, hence "depending on area". Still worrying that there are areas where basically anyone can carry a concealed weapon, although obviously you don't agree.

 

[painted wolf]

Thought I'd point out this tid-bit too...

Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[63]

Look... I've been to Vermont... it's about as dangerous as a puff ball....
Alaska I'd be surprised at people not having guns... at least outside the cities.

wa:do

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I believe here in VA we still have the concealed weapons law....but don't get caught driving with your gun loaded and concealed if you don't have a license to do so cause the police will stick it to you....

 

[Rough_ER]

*Sigh*

I'm clearly moron or slightly confused. I give up. Horrendously high gun-crime rates are not my problem after all. It's been fun but I have a New Scientist to read.

 

[painted wolf]

Look, I'm not saying that we don't have to work at reducing gun crime... Our level of crime in this nation is frankly stupid. And I have never personally attacked you or your intelligence so you can stop with that game... people can disagree without stooping to blamethowing and whinging.

I'm just saying that totally banning guns is not the answer. It may have worked for other nations but it wouldn't work here... there is too much in the culture that needs to be addressed.

Concealed Carry is IMHO being used as a boogy man.... and I personally prefer Science Daily.

wa:do

 

[Rough_ER]

Look, I'm not saying that we don't have to work at reducing gun crime... Our level of crime in this nation is frankly stupid. And I have never personally attacked you or your intelligence so you can stop with that game... people can disagree without stooping to blamethowing and whinging.

I'm just saying that totally banning guns is not the answer. It may have worked for other nations but it wouldn't work here... there is too much in the culture that needs to be addressed.

Concealed Carry is IMHO being used as a boogy man.... and I personally prefer Science Daily.

wa:do

Hey hey... I was having a bit of fun. The comment wasn't aimed at you either, that's why I didn't quote you. I was referring to the fact that no one seems to agree with me, indicating that maybe I am not as informed as I could stand to be. =) No hard feelings.

 

[painted wolf]

Sorry I over reacted and missed the joke.

This is a very complex issue... and unfortunately there won't be a simple answer. I rather like mine, but I'm biased.

I think there is a way to honor the second amendment and promote responsibility while reducing crime. If there isn't then there isn't much hope for humanity is there?

wa:do

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This I can agree with. Other countries may have low gun related deaths but what about crimes commissioned in other fashions such as knives, poisons etc. I guess we could find statistics but I don't think we're in a hurry to ban knives..

Yes. This is why I feel gun safety, rather than restrictions, is better. A thieves job won't be easier or safer if guns are banned, and, even if they are, I have a bow, and know how to shoot it. I also have enough knives to arm a militia. And not to mention a dog that can jump 5 to 6 feet in the air, and loves chewing on things. I do not need a gun to remain safe.
But, considering most gun deaths are accidental (I myself even lost a friend to an accidental gun death about two months ago, my girlfriend lost one back around Febuary or March), safety education would almost eliminate the need for strict regulations.