Any questions?

[Storm]

Yes, yes, and both.

EDIT: The Pantheon of Dreams is not about which ones qualify. It's about which ones I choose to revere.

 

[Magic Man]

Yes, yes, and both.

EDIT: The Pantheon of Dreams is not about which ones qualify. It's about which ones I choose to revere.

Oh, so now you can just pick and choose, huh? You're becoming more and more like Christianity every day!

How can I think about something without it becoming my own concept of that thing? Wouldn't that be like "seeing" an objective reality?

 

[Storm]

How can I think about something without it becoming my own concept of that thing? Wouldn't that be like "seeing" an objective reality?

You can't. Your version of the idea shapes the objective reality, becomes an aspect of it.

 

[Magic Man]

You can't. Your version of the idea shapes the objective reality, becomes an aspect of it.

But how does my aspect of something know which objective version of it to attach to?

 

[Storm]

That's what names are for. It's like your "No One Has Ever Seen Me" thread.

 

[Troublemane]

fascinating stuff, Storm
love the Pantheon of Dreams, is very much like some experioments some friends and I did about 18 yrs ago, we used to lay on the ground in a circle with our crowns touching, and describe each others' "dreamselves". we found we each had several, and we started combining them---first one person would combine their multiple dreamselves, then two people started combining dreamselves---it was like we were forming our own personal pantheons.

is that like anything you have experienced?

 

[Storm]

Not sure. Would you care to elaborate?

 

[Troublemane]

its an experiment you can try alone but its easier to do with other people, two otheres is best because it 'concretizes' the result ----the participants close their eyes and look to see your "guardians" which are spiritual guides/guards created by the ego to prevent intruders--but they also tend to prevent psychic interactivity. so the first task is to pass the guards, either by bribery or by asking permission, whatever.

the next thing to do is to look for/ask for the dreamselves to show themselves. for me, ive thought of them as being your "ideal self", like how you would see yourself if you were a fictional character---as a hero in a fantasy story perhaps, or a ghost (if you think yourself invisible to others) and so forth. its a simple meditative exercise.

but once thats done you can start playing with the dreamselves--combining them and such. its all an illusion, course, but really fun! eventually you may allow the dreamselves to fade away as each level of self is peeled back to reveal the naked singularity beneath. now that is really fun!

 

[Storm]

I've never done that, no. Sounds cool, though.

 

[Troublemane]

theres a similar practice developed by Genpo Roshi called the Big Mind process. its truly awesome. a complete shortcut to zazen!
YouTube - 1 Introduction to Big Mind by Genpo Roshi

 

[Storm]

Thanks for the link.

 

[Troublemane]

And heres the other videos that are parts of the same exercise:

YouTube - 2 Facilitation of Controller by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 3 Facilitation of Skeptic by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 4 Facilitation of Vulnerable child & Protector
YouTube - 5 Facilitation of Damaged Self and Fixer by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 6 Facilitation of Seeking Mind by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 7 Facilitation of Non-Seeking Mind by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 8 Facilitation of Big Mind by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 9 Facilitation of Body-Mind Dropped & Big Heart
YouTube - 10 Facilitation of Yin-Yang Big Heart by Genpo Roshi
YouTube - 11 OneHeartMind & Integrated Free FuncioningSelf

 

[Storm]

I'd be curious to know your criteria, then, for an avatar, but not necessarily here or now.

That's not really developed. However, one clue is that their lives illustrate the lesson.

It's possible that there are many, many Avatars who never get famous.

Mother Teresa, I believe was a very good woman. She had her flaws, but that's to be expected. She was, after all, only human.

Which is not to say that Avatars are perfect. They can fail. They can be flawed, so long as those flaws are part of the lesson.

 

[Magic Man]

That's not really developed. However, one clue is that their lives illustrate the lesson.

It's possible that there are many, many Avatars who never get famous.

Mother Teresa, I believe was a very good woman. She had her flaws, but that's to be expected. She was, after all, only human.

Which is not to say that Avatars are perfect. They can fail. They can be flawed, so long as those flaws are part of the lesson.

I then wonder about your about your definition of "flawed". D'oh, gotta go, I'll come back for more later.

 

[Pagan Spiritualist]

I agree with your beliefs in the most part, except you seem to be certain of some things that I doubt.

"You can't give someone a pill to make them a Democrat, or change their sexual orientation."

But in theory you could change their brain and thoughts surgically.

"Universe, cosmos, and roth:"

Everything after this point, I do not have certainty in. I believe all those concepts you outlined are part of the same thing, the universe. I believe the universe is God, and it may or may not be conscious. I believe in cause and effect, good and bad energy. I believe we all all parts of a greater entity, the universe, we join back with it when we die, and we break off from it when we're born, through the gift of consciousness. I don't think we retain our individuality when we die, though, so avatars seem unlikely to me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, maybe some people have the ability to separate their consciousness and enter into another. This could explain past life memories and such. Maybe some of us have multiple souls within ourselves, and they affect how our brain and thoughts are formed. I'll find out when I die I guess.

 

[raybo]

I agree with your beliefs in the most part, except you seem to be certain of some things that I doubt.

"You can't give someone a pill to make them a Democrat, or change their sexual orientation."

But in theory you could change their brain and thoughts surgically.

Followed the post for several pages and with this last post here's a neat link regarding the brain and thought.

YouTube - How it feels to have a stroke

Perhaps i will add to the conversation... interesting read thanks all!

 

[theonepaladin]

Do you know about Angelology?

What is your "take" on the existance of angels?

What is your "take" on the existance of balance (and counter balances) to maintain the nutrality of the Free Will of Existance?

Thank you for your time! Could you possibly explain this to me via PM or email at [email protected] ?
In return for your time which I spent, I could possibly share some of my "unique" knowledge which I have gathered.


God Bless,
-Paladin

 

[Storm]

Do you know about Angelology?

I know of it, though I haven't really studied it.

What is your "take" on the existance of angels?

I believe there is a race of benevolent sidhe which Christians describe as angels. ETA: Alternatively, they're not a single race, but the label Christians give any benevolent sidhe. Either way, they exist.

What is your "take" on the existance of balance (and counter balances) to maintain the nutrality of the Free Will of Existance?

I'm not sure I understand the question, so if I answer the wrong one, please rephrase.

I don't believe in cosmic forces of Good and Evil. I don't think God has morality figured out, yet. That's what humans are for.

Thank you for your time! Could you possibly explain this to me via PM or email at [email protected] ?

I much prefer to have such discussions here, where all can see.

In return for your time which I spent, I could possibly share some of my "unique" knowledge which I have gathered.

Why don't you start a thread?

 

[Breathe]

If you're asking about my spritual practice, I've been neglecting it of late. However, it consists mainly of meditation and theological exercises.

Can I ask about how you do theological exercises, dearie?

Also, may I ask your view on the multiverse as a whole, and the dimensions of existence (there's supposed to be like, 11 or 12 of them, right?) - Do they have any affect? Would you say the universe would be an aspect of the One who is the multiverse, or would there be separate Ones for each universe and reality? (by reality, I mean things like "planes of existence", like the astral realm, the dream realm, things of that nature, if you believe in them)

I asked you part of this in brad chat before, but I'm curious as to dimensions and realities and how they would fit together within a multiverse.

 

[Storm]

Can I ask about how you do theological exercises, dearie?

Posing myself theological riddles like the problem of evil (just for fun, as such are irrelevant to my own beliefs). More relvantly, looking for flaws in my own logic, and requesting assistance in this via debate (though I haven't had much luck there ). Also, just talking about my theology to others, who often come up with questions I hadn't considered.

Also, may I ask your view on the multiverse as a whole,

I believe it is a multitude of roth. It may add up to an even higher entity, but even I don't bother speculating on such questions. We'll find out eventually.

and the dimensions of existence (there's supposed to be like, 11 or 12 of them, right?) - Do they have any affect?

The only reference I've heard to 11 dimensions is Urantia, and I have no idea why you'd attribute that to me.

Would you say the universe would be an aspect of the One who is the multiverse, or would there be separate Ones for each universe and reality?

As I mentioned, I assume each "universe" is its own roth/ God.

(by reality, I mean things like "planes of existence", like the astral realm, the dream realm, things of that nature, if you believe in them)

I do and I don't. It's all God, only our limited perspective makes it seem like something separate.