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Anyone else uncomfortable with the fact that America is conducting military ops in 120+ countries
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As an American, you can no more vote against it than you can vote against Goldman Sachs. With only a few exceptions, every candidate of either party supports it. Move to Vermont so you can vote for Bernie Sanders. That's one of your few options left.
Forgive me for commenting on this not being a North America, but I need to say it.
Honestly, If it wasn't for the USA, the Germans and Japanese previous governments might have possibly done the world great harm. I really appreciate the efforts Americans did for the world. I'm not saying that the nuke was right to do, I'm talking about the concluding outcome we are in now.
I'm one of those who see Americans as heroes. At least the Americans from the World War.
Current situations raise controversy alright, maybe because they are not as smart as they were in the World War? I dunno what the US government has in mind.
Honestly, If it wasn't for the USA, the Germans and Japanese previous governments might have possibly done the world great harm. I really appreciate the efforts Americans did for the world. I'm not saying that the nuke was right to do, I'm talking about the concluding outcome we are in now.
I'm one of those who see Americans as heroes. At least the Americans from the World War.
Current situations raise controversy alright, maybe because they are not as smart as they were in the World War? I dunno what the US government has in mind.
That's nice of you to say. I think the generation that fought the Second World War, and later, much of the Cold War, seems to have been exceptional in many ways.
Being grateful for past actions does not mean that we must accept current choices without comment or questioning, though.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
I seen something on my Facebook this morning that really puts in in perspective; it said something along the lines of "over 900 military based in over a hundred countries. That is an empire." And that's what seems to me to be the case. It's not about protection, it's not about freedom; it's about protecting the assets of the rich, and taking over the world.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
I'm not sure I agree. I think humanity is pretty much the same across the generations.
As one who aspires to be rich again, I see an entirely different motive. Consider the greatest thief of Americastanian
wealth: Taxes for military & foreign adventurism. It doesn't protect overseas assets in the places where we wage the
most expensive battles (Iraq, Afghanistan). It doesn't protect rampant theft of intellectual property, eg, China.
Where you see protection of the wealthy, I see politicians drunk on power to act out
their anger & impose their will on inferior cultures (who should be more like us).
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
I don't disagree, I just see more to it than that. Politicians don't spend money on such things, unless they're expecting more in return. But I think it's more about the empire, rather than money anyway.
Let's consider some specific politicians.
As had Bush, Obama has the singular power to end the wars, yet he doesn't.
How does each profit from them?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I agree. It seems political ambitions center on a whats in it for me mentality. It's interesting unlike the past, the UN is hardly mentioned concerning the affairs and status of countries and actions concerning them anymore.
From what it appears, the US indiscriminately enters countries whenever it feels the need for whatever reason. That said, many bases in foreign countries are there by invitation as an American presence usually means a degree of security for that country. Weither that applies today or not I dunno. It seems of late much of US interests are less than stellar by way we are treating our allies much less than our adversaries. NSA infiltrations come to mind.
From what it appears, the US indiscriminately enters countries whenever it feels the need for whatever reason. That said, many bases in foreign countries are there by invitation as an American presence usually means a degree of security for that country. Weither that applies today or not I dunno. It seems of late much of US interests are less than stellar by way we are treating our allies much less than our adversaries. NSA infiltrations come to mind.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
If I were an American I would be equally concerned by the surveillance and spying tbh. It appears Stasi like.
I like America and when I meet Americans I expect to like them too. I usually do. It seems to me that the government of the US is less worthy than the citizens and I can't help but think the US political establishment regularly fails its citizens.
I like America and when I meet Americans I expect to like them too. I usually do. It seems to me that the government of the US is less worthy than the citizens and I can't help but think the US political establishment regularly fails its citizens.
Alceste
Vagabond
Large donations from the bazillionaire capitalists in the arms industry who are slurping up your tax dollars, and control of a large proportion of citizens who can be convinced to support practically anything as long as they believe in some foreign menace
I'm looking for more than vague Truther style paranoia.
Nah, it's just the Information Age. 100 years ago, Bolsheviks sculpted a society of engineers and planners, with humans as cogs in the machine; now, society is sculpting itself into an Artificial Intelligence and we are again cogs, each a bite of information in a mass brain.
Alceste
Vagabond
Lol - so you don't believe the arms industry is making large campaign donations to candidates in both parties? Or is it that you don't believe massive political donations from corporations and lobbyists involve the expectation of some quid pro quo? Or is it that you believe American politicians have the character, integrity and backbone to resist the demands of million dollar donors and do the right thing regardless? Or you slept through the whole of 2001-2002, when Americans almost unanimously supported the Patriot Act and not one, but TWO foreign wars, and vilified anyone who dared to question the wisdom of any of these decisions?
Which is it? I'm dying to know.
I asked a question about specific individuals of another poster,
looking for more than vague generalized conspiracy feelings.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
It's not some secret initiative to take over the world. Most of the bases aren't functional, and most are there because whenever the US engages another country in some way it leaves a base there, that's why we have bases in places like Italy and Japan, completely non-functional with minimum manning. I guess Japan serves as a Naval part but we don't really need a Navy either, so... I think it is better explained by bureaucratic waste than a hidden agenda. For a lot of the bases, being stationed there is like having a two year vacation.
Also, are they counting embassies? Because those usually have a small Marine presence there.
Also, are they counting embassies? Because those usually have a small Marine presence there.