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Anything Goes LDS Thread (Everyone Welcome)

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Do LDS consider the bible to be complete or lacking truth?
We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly. We do not believe that it is the sole source of truth or the sole record of God's dealings with mankind.

According to APOSTLE Orson Pratt ,are the catholics and protestants considered the great whore of Babylon as recorded in the book Revelation ?
I'm not sure what Orson Pratt might have said, but that is not what we teach or believe.

Do the Mormon church view the Pastor's and Priests of those same churches ashirelings of satan.
No.

I'm juts trying to get the present day view LDS have towards Christianity today
I hope that helped. Perhaps I can find some quotes from President Gordon B. Hinckley, who is our Prophet today.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Is the gospel according to a LDS really in essence the Mormon church system and it's doctrine?
I'm not sure I understand the question, roli, but we believe our Church to be a restoration of the gospel Jesus Christ taught during His ministry, but which was lost in part during the years immediately following the deaths of His Apostles.

And please explain with scripture how God once was man, I mean there is no other statement in the LDS doctrines that undermines and brings God down to man's level more than this statement.
"As man is so God once was and as God is so man can become "!!
Without going into the history and in less words as possible, how would you explain that statement to a potential convert on the street.
Without going into any history, and in five words: With God, nothing is impossible. If you would like a more in depth answer, please tell me. Some questions deserve more than a quick answer.
 

TrueBlue2

Member
Do you think American Indians descended directly from the Jews?

The Book of Mormon tells of two families who left Jerusalem around 600 B.C. (during the time of Jeremiah the prophet) and made their way to the Americas. They brought scripture with them, and obeyed the law of Moses. They were of Israelite descent. Over time civil war led to their demise. Yes, it is believed that the American Indians are descendants of these people.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Yes, it is believed that the American Indians are descendants of these people.
Actually, don't you think it would be more accurate to say that we believe some of the native Americans to be descendants of these people?
 

TrueBlue2

Member
Do LDS consider the bible to be complete or lacking truth?

Faithful LDS believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. However, other scriptures proclaim that "many plain and precious truths" were lost in translation, or were purposely removed by evil and designing men - a fact that is quite apparent by the hundreds of denominations teaching so many various doctrines using the same Bible.

According to APOSTLE Orson Pratt ,are the catholics and protestants considered the great whore of Babylon as recorded in the book Revelation ?

I'm not sure what Orson Pratt taught but that is NOT church doctrine.

Do the Mormon church view the Pastor's and Priests of those same churches ashirelings of satan.

No. That would be extreme.

I'm juts trying to get the present day view LDS have towards Christianity today

Please read my answers above.
 

TrueBlue2

Member
Is the gospel according to a LDS really in essence the Mormon church system and it's doctrine ?

The name of the church is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. As foretold by Christ the church that HE established while here in the flesh soon fell into a state of apostasy after the persecution and death of the original apostles and saints. Divine authority to act in the name of Christ, and to perform essential ordinances such as baptism, was lost.

Joseph Smith not only claimed to see the Father and the Son, but indicated that he received the authority to baptize directly from John the Baptist; that Peter, James, and John appeared to him and gave him authority to administer in the church; that Elijah gave him keys to "turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to fathers"; and that Moses gave him keys to gather Israel in latter days.

Fantastic story to be sure! But then the story of Noah was fantastic, as was the story of Moses, Elijah, and especially of Jesus Christ. People in every age have always had a difficult time listening to the prophet of THEIR day. Noah only converted eight souls!

The churches claim is one of RESTORATION. The church of Jesus Christ, in all its purity has been restored to the earth today for the benefit of all who will listen. Apostles and Prophets are on the earth again. God does speak to man today. That is the main message the church offers.
 

TrueBlue2

Member
And please explain with scripture how God once was man...how would you explain that statement to a potential convert on the street.

It is abundantly clear in all of scripture that God has been God from beginning to end, from everlasting to everlasting, and that IS the doctrine of the LDS church. We believe in the word of God as manifested in the scriptures. Joseph Smith is no longer here to clarify exactly what he meant when he said that, but the concept is one of eternal progression. I think I'll leave it at that.
 

TrueBlue2

Member
Actually, don't you think it would be more accurate to say that we believe some of the native Americans to be descendants of these people?

Yes, that would be more accurate. Of course I didn't know you were answering these questions too Katzpur. :yes:
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Talk about various LDS topics here. All faiths welcome. Debate, discuss, but be nice.

Are questions invited (for prospective answer)?

If so, please illustrate/define/outline/clarify the following:

1) Is sexual intercourse intended (by God) to be pleasurable to humans?

2) How many wives and children did Joseph Smith claim as his own?

3) At what age may a Mormon become (or considered to be) a priest of the church? May girls/women expect to attain such a level of ordained authority within the LDS faith?

4) Are women permitted to be "baptized" in the same manner/method as males? What constitutes an acceptable "authority" in such rites?

5) Whom are Charles Anthon, and Dr. Samuel Mitchell, to the LDS church?

6) What does Abraham 3:9,16 convey, and what does it suggest as "truth"?

7) What is a "skin curse", and who bears such a curse?

8) What does a "burning in the bosom" feel like?

9) Could you point to "Koleb" on any available star chart? If not, where in the night sky should we be looking to observe it's physical presence?

[Note: These are but a few of the inquiries I put to LDS missionaries that knock upon my door, most uninvited. I have more...]
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Roli,

Here are some miscellaneous quotes from Gordon B. Hinckley, President of the Church:

Each of us [from various religious denominations] believes in the fatherhood of God, although we may differ in our interpretations of Him. Each of us is part of a great family, the human family, sons and daughters of God, and therefore brothers and sisters. We must work harder to build mutual respect, an attitude of forbearance, with tolerance one for another regardless of the doctrines and philosophies which we may espouse. Concerning these you and I may disagree. But we can do so with respect and civility.

“To those who are members of the church of which I am a member, I call attention to these words of Joseph Smith spoken in July of 1843: ‘If it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a 'Mormon,' I am bold enough to declare before heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination . . .’ This, I hope, can be my standard...

“Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Greek Orthodox, Muslims, and people of various racial backgrounds and ethnic origins: Thank you for the respect you exemplify and cultivate, for the tolerance you nourish, for the spirit of forbearance and civility which you demonstrate. We must continue, even more vigorously, to work unitedly for the common good, teaching our children to do likewise, so that the world, at least in some small measure, may be healed of its wounds and spared the scars of further conflict. (National Conference of Christians and Jews Banquet, February 21, 1995.)

“I plead with our people everywhere to live with respect and appreciation for those not of our faith. There is so great a need for civility and mutual respect among those of differing beliefs and philosophies. We must not be partisans of any doctrine of ethnic superiority. We live in a world of diversity. We can and must be respectful toward those with whose teachings we may not agree. We must be willing to defend the rights of others who may become the victims of bigotry. ("This Is the Work of the Master,"

The following quote is taken from an address by M. Russell Ballard, one of the Church's Twelve Apostles:

As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we understand that we are perceived by some to be “a peculiar people” (1 Peter 2:9). Our doctrines and beliefs are important to us. We embrace them and cherish them. I am not suggesting for a moment that we shouldn’t. On the contrary, our peculiarity and the uniqueness of the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ are indispensable elements in offering the people of the world a clear choice. Neither am I suggesting that we should associate in any relationship that would place us or our families at spiritual risk. We must understand, however, that not everyone is going to accept our doctrine of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ. For the most part, our neighbors not of our faith are good, honorable people—every bit as good and honorable as we strive to be. They care about their families, just like we do. They want to make the world a better place, just like we do. They are kind and loving and generous and faithful, just like we seek to be. Nearly 25 years ago, the First Presidency declared: “Our message … is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father” (First Presidency statement, 15 Feb. 1978).

That is our doctrine—a doctrine of inclusion. That is what we believe. That is what we have been taught. Of all people on this earth, we should be the most loving, the kindest, and the most tolerant because of that doctrine.

May I suggest three simple things we can do to avoid making others in our neighborhoods feel excluded?

First, get to know your neighbors. Learn about their families, their work, their views. Get together with them, if they are willing, and do so without being pushy and without any ulterior motives. Friendship should never be offered as a means to an end; it can and should be an end unto itself. I received a letter from a woman who recently moved to Utah, a small part of which I quote: “I must tell you, Elder Ballard, that when I greet my neighbors, or if I wave to them, they do not acknowledge my greeting. If I pass them while taking my morning or evening walk, my salutation is not returned. Other people of color consistently express similar negative responses to friendly gestures.” If members of the Church are among her neighbors, surely they must know that this should not happen. Let us cultivate meaningful relationships of mutual trust and understanding with people from different backgrounds and beliefs.

Second, I believe it would be good if we eliminated a couple of phrases from our vocabulary: “nonmember” and “non-Mormon.” Such phrases can be demeaning and even belittling. Personally, I don’t consider myself to be a “non-Catholic” or a “non-Jew.” I am a Christian. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is how I prefer to be identified—for who and what I am, as opposed to being identified for what I am not. Let us extend that same courtesy to those who live among us. If a collective description is needed, then “neighbors” seems to work well in most cases.

And third, if neighbors become testy or frustrated because of some disagreement with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or with some law we support for moral reasons, please don’t suggest to them—even in a humorous way—that they consider moving someplace else. I cannot comprehend how any member of our Church can even think such a thing! Our pioneer ancestors were driven from place to place by uninformed and intolerant neighbors. They experienced extraordinary hardship and persecution because they thought, acted, and believed differently from others. If our history teaches us nothing else, it should teach us to respect the rights of all people to peacefully coexist with one another.

I now speak to all those who are not of our faith. If there are issues of concern, let us talk about them. We want to be helpful. Please understand, however, that our doctrines and teachings are set by the Lord, so sometimes we will have to agree to disagree with you, but we can do so without being disagreeable. In our communities we can and must work together in an atmosphere of courtesy, respect, and civility. Here in Utah, a group of concerned citizens formed the Alliance for Unity. This effort has been endorsed by our Church as well as other churches and organizations. One of its purposes is “to seek to build a community where differing viewpoints are acknowledged and valued.” Perhaps there has never been a more important time for neighbors all around the world to stand together for the common good of one another.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
1) Is sexual intercourse intended (by God) to be pleasurable to humans?

Yes.

2) How many wives and children did Joseph Smith claim as his own?

I'm not certain of the exact number and would have to do research to give you an answer.

3) At what age may a Mormon become (or considered to be) a priest of the church? May girls/women expect to attain such a level of ordained authority within the LDS faith?

Young men of 12 years of age may enter the lower or Aaronic priesthood. Young women have other responsibilities they are called to. In either case, it is not about attaining levels. Rather, it's about service with increasing amounts of responsibility.

4) Are women permitted to be "baptized" in the same manner/method as males? What constitutes an acceptable "authority" in such rites?

Yes. Women and men are baptized in the same manner. The baptism is performed by a Priest who calls the person by name, says the words of the ordinance, and immerses the person being baptized in water.

5) Whom are Charles Anthon, and Dr. Samuel Mitchell, to the LDS church?

Charles Anthon was shown character copied from the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. There are conflicting stories as to what transpired at this event.

6) What does Abraham 3:9,16 convey, and what does it suggest as "truth"?

These verses reference Kolob which the chapter teaches is the place closest to God.

7) What is a "skin curse", and who bears such a curse?

The changing of skin color is not the curse.

8) What does a "burning in the bosom" feel like?

It is a phrase used by some to describe the experience of truth being confirmed by the Holy Ghost. Each person experiences this differently, IMO. The better explanation is that the Holy Ghost confirms Truth to the person's mind.

9) Could you point to "Koleb" on any available star chart? If not, where in the night sky should we be looking to observe it's physical presence?

That information is not available. Besides, we should not look to the star to find God. Rather, we should be on our knees with our heads humbly bowed before his glory.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
9) Could you point to "Koleb" on any available star chart? If not, where in the night sky should we be looking to observe it's physical presence?
It's "Kolob" and I believe you already know the answer to that question. :sheep:If you're going to ask questions, at least make them the kind that aren't going to be a waste of our time to answer.
 

McBell

Unbound
Why is it, that even with all the groups, organizations, individuals, deities, demons, aliens, etc. out to "prove" that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a completely man made anti-Christian religion, has it not yet been done?
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Is that not a rather bold claim to say you are the restored church of Jesus Christ, where does that place the rest of believers, do you think we are lost or deceived

Do you believe that God was flesh and blood and progressed into Godhood?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Why is it, that even with all the groups, organizations, individuals, deities, demons, aliens, etc. out to "prove" that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a completely man made anti-Christian religion, has it not yet been done?
Good question. You'd think that with all the time and effort they pour into it, they'd have met with some success by now.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Is that not a rather bold claim to say you are the restored church of Jesus Christ, where does that place the rest of believers, do you think we are lost or deceived
Perhaps it's a bold claim, but it would be less than honest of us not to say what we believe. I wouldn't use the words "lost" or "deceived." Our Church teaches that there is much good and much truth in most religions. The fact that there are over 30,000 different Christian denominations in the world today does seem problematic to me, but I'd say that by and large, we look more kindly on the rest of Christianity than it looks upon us.

Do you believe that God was flesh and blood and progressed into Godhood?
We believe that God is a glorified, immortal being of flesh and bones (not flesh and blood). We believe that He was God in the beginning.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly. We do not believe that it is the sole source of truth or the sole record of God's dealings with mankind.
That line of reasoning could actually justify LDS to retranslate the whole of scripture, if need be ,I mean much of the doctrines have been revamped already.
That is something I would want to be extremely certain about, because we both know what scripture says regarding the adding to or removing of scripture.
So LDS according to certain men in the LDS, you are the determined and entitled group to translate and decide what is truth and what is not ,that is extremely empowering and somewhat arrogant , not you personally ,but that whole doctrine.

I mean could you be the one's Jesus spoke of coming in and deceiving the church, the false prophet and teachers. I mean if your not, then we born again christians must be.
There can't be 2 truths, one of us are wrong than.
Is there a remote possibiltiy to you that you are deceived.

I'm not sure what Orson Pratt might have said, but that is not what we teach or believe.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
That line of reasoning could actually justify LDS to retranslate the whole of scripture, if need be ,I mean much of the doctrines have been revamped already. That is something I would want to be extremely certain about, because we both know what scripture says regarding the adding to or removing of scripture.
So which translation is the one that has neither added to nor removed from God's word? We use the KJV, along with a few other million Christians.

So LDS according to certain men in the LDS, you are the determined and entitled group to translate and decide what is truth and what is not ,that is extremely empowering and somewhat arrogant , not you personally ,but that whole doctrine.
Okay, well thank you for sharing that.

I mean could you be the one's Jesus spoke of coming in and deceiving the church, the false prophet and teachers. I mean if your not, then we born again christians must be. There can't be 2 truths, one of us are wrong than. Is there a remote possibiltiy to you that you are deceived.
Sure, maybe we're wrong. Maybe you're right. Maybe the Catholics are right. Maybe the Presbyterians are right. Maybe the Methodists are right.
 
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