Apparently, the religious on RF don't even know the difference between good and bad.

[Beaudreaux]

While we all love a fat cow-*** to dig into, I think we're all for greater animal rights and ensuring they die in as painless conditions as possible and they are kept in humane conditions.

Feeding humans is a bigger moral good than ensuring chickens get to leave their coop before some Mexican factory worker chops its head off with a cleaver.

Yeah, but here's the problem. We don't NEED to eat meat at all. A vegetarian diet will sustain us quite acceptably. So, is vegetarianism a more moral lifestyle than that we carnivores live?

 

[Beaudreaux]

to eat a beef sandwich is stay alive, food for the soul and belly

Eating meat is not necessary to survive. And how is it food for the "soul" in a way that vegetables are not?

 

[Vile Atheist]

Yeah, but here's the problem. We don't NEED to eat meat at all. A vegetarian diet will sustain us quite acceptably. So, is vegetarianism a more moral lifestyle than that we carnivores live?

Not exactly. Nutrient deficiency is more common in vegetarians than in "omnivores", if I can get away with using that word. Vegetarian diets and children -- Sanders and Reddy 59 (5): 1176S -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

And that's more intuitive because if you eat a wider range of foods, it follows suit you'll probably get a wider range of nutrients, decreasing chances of deficiency.

Not to mention that a lot of common things we use are made from animals or animal byproducts. And that....well....you don't make friends with salad.

I think it can be moral if done in a humane way.

 

[Freelancer7]

Eating meat is not necessary to survive. And how is it food for the "soul" in a way that vegetables are not?

Food in general is what I mean??!! making an animal suffer is a little different from killing it quickly, I though someone of your Intellect would have understood my statement??!! perhaps I was wrong

 

[Valjean]

So, you believe morality extends to animals. This is interesting to me. I certainly consider Michael Vicks actions against those dogs to be immoral, yet I regularly enjoy a lovely roast cow sandwich. I have never been able to reconcile the two....

I think it all boils down to the criteria you base your morality on. What fundamental moral principles were violated in the Vick case that cause you to condemn it?

Personally, I'm concerned with consistency. If you would not do it to your brother, should you do it to a stranger, a foreigner, an animal?

 

[McBell]

If you would not do it to your brother, should you do it to a stranger, a foreigner, an animal?

Depends entirely upon the circumstances.

To me this is nothing more than a rewording of the age old "If you would not do it, say it, etc. in front of your mother it is bad"
argument.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Depends entirely upon the circumstances.

To me this is nothing more than a rewording of the age old "If you would not do it, say it, etc. in front of your mother it is bad"
argument.

Shhhh. Mother might hear.:no: