Apparently, the religious on RF don't even know the difference between good and bad.

[Beaudreaux]

Religious folks on RF seem to be completely incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad. I find this astounding! Do you?

As proof, can anyone here give just ONE example of an action that is considered good? One that is considered evil? I'm not trying to trick you. I just asked this in another thread and zero point zero people could give a direct response.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Religious folks on RF seem to be completely incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad. I find this astounding! Do you?

I think the idea is, religious people view God as the author of morality, and without God, morality would be subjective/relative.

 

[Valjean]

Are you saying that an external, book-of-rules moral code is capricious and arbitrary, Beaudreaux?
Your OP presumes we know what you're talking about.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Greetings

Religious Folk: Check
On RF: Check
Incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad: Umm...

...That would be determinate on the objective nature of morality. What is considered 'morally good' to some may be considered 'morally wrong' to others. My judgements are not based on what I feel is right or wrong universally, so I don't feel that determining 'good' or 'bad' is strictly necessary, at least in the religious sense.

GhK.

 

[Beaudreaux]

I think the idea is, religious people view God as the author of morality, and without God, morality would be subjective/relative.

So, believing in God, can you give me an example of a "good" action?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Greetings

Religious Folk: Check
On RF: Check
Incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad: Umm...

...That would be determinate on the objective nature of morality. What is considered 'morally good' to some may be considered 'morally wrong' to others. My judgements are not based on what I feel is right or wrong universally, so I don't feel that determining 'good' or 'bad' is strictly necessary, at least in the religious sense.

GhK.

Can you give an example of a good action I could take toward my fellow man?

 

[Heneni]

Good = desiring god
Evil = not desiring god

 

[Storm]

You gave several in your OP. Acting on compassion and alleviating suffering, working for justice, defending others.

Without getting depressingly specific, causing suffering and injustice.

that is my position as well. Suffering is bad. Alleviating suffering is good.

Do you no longer agree?

 

[TheKnight]

Religious folks on RF seem to be completely incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad. I find this astounding! Do you?

As proof, can anyone here give just ONE example of an action that is considered good? One that is considered evil? I'm not trying to trick you. I just asked this in another thread and zero point zero people could give a direct response.

Religious people, generally, define morality based on the Creator. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't believe in that sort of authoritative existence to understand it.

The fact is, we believe that God defines what is and is not right.

Good=whatever God commands.
Bad=whatever God prohibits.
Nuetral=anything in between.

Also note, most of the discussion on RF are theoretical. They're usually not practical discussions. Things are always different theoretically and practically.

For instance, genocide is moral if God commands it.

However, in real life, God has not commanded me to commit genocide. So why does it matter that I say that genocide is moral if God commands it? On a practical level there's no reason to argue.

Unfortunately, that's how philosophy works.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Can you give an example of a good action I could take toward my fellow man?

Um... It would depend on your idea of good...
I guess if somebody was going to drown and I saved their life that would preserve their life so I suppose that counts right?

Then again... Imagine if that person then went on to rape and kill 6 children...

Good = desiring god
Evil = not desiring god

Yay I get to be Evil! I've always wondered what it's like - Turns out I knew all along!

GhK.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Do you no longer agree?

OH......yeah....

OK, ONLY ONE person seems to know.

Seriously though, you're the only one to put something forth. My previous thread "Can I have some examples of good and evil actions please?" was sinking fast so I thought I'd give it an inflamatory title to get some responses.

 

[gzusfrk]

Religious folks on RF seem to be completely incapable of determining what actions are morally good and what actions are morally bad. I find this astounding! Do you?

As proof, can anyone here give just ONE example of an action that is considered good? One that is considered evil? I'm not trying to trick you. I just asked this in another thread and zero point zero people could give a direct response.

Killing a good person is bad,or evil. Not killing them is good.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Killing a good person is bad,or evil. Not killing them is good.

THANK you! Geeze, I was so caught up in getting responses...I forgot why I asked this.....

 

[Autodidact]

The fact is, we believe that God defines what is and is not right.

Good=whatever God commands.
Bad=whatever God prohibits.
Nuetral=anything in between.

O.K., so with your particular God, then, morally bad actions would include:

• Shaving
• Wearing mixed fiber clothing
• Working on Saturday
• Having sex with another man.

Morally good actions would include:

• genocide
• infanticide
• polygamy
• slavery.

Is that right?

 

[Autodidact]

Killing a good person is bad,or evil. Not killing them is good.

what if God commands you to kill them?

 

[TheKnight]

Is that right?

No. It's not. God does not command me to commit genocide, infanticide, polygamy or slavery. Neither am I commanded not to shave, not to wear mixed fiber clothing, or not to work on Saturday. Engaging in homosexual sexual activity is immoral, yes.

 

[gzusfrk]

what if God commands you to kill them?

But He commanded me to love my enemy.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Morally good actions would include:

• genocide
• infanticide
• polygamy
• slavery.

Is that right?

No.

Polygamy and Slavery were never commanded. They were regulated... permitted.. but never commanded. They fall under "neutral".

As for genocide and infanticide... They were commands at that particular time, but they are not ongoing commands.

 

[Beaudreaux]

No.

Polygamy and Slavery were never commanded. They were regulated... permitted.. but never commanded. They fall under "neutral".

As for genocide and infanticide... They were commands at that particular time, but they are not ongoing commands.

So by your definition, they were good actions at the time, yes?

 

[Ringer]

Please note, Beaudreaux, I quickly edited your post because you quoted a post that was attributed to Autodidact when PoisonShady was the one to be quoted.