Apparently - Two State Solution is not Palestinian Desire.

[Godobeyer]

Al Jazeera is partially funded by Qatar's government, if I am not mistaken.

But it is at least an exageration to say that media in general is so aligned to governments.



I don't doubt that for a second.

True, every media is oriented.
But some credibility, and some biased.

I remember Aljazeera before lied about libya,also Syria war. It's was against Gaddafi.And Bashar Assad.
I don't say they are angels, but in Gaza war they show some credibility.

I don't like double standard of West claim about human rights.
Russia is banned from olympic games because ukraine war, but Israel allowed to participate despite genocide in Gaza.

 

[Kenny]

IMO, they ought to have one state were everyone is equally represented. A culture of ethic division is never beneficial.

I agree completely.

Did you know that in Israel there are Muslims in the Knesset to have equal representation?

The 20th Knesset by the numbers: More Arabs and women, fewer Orthodox members

Changes are coming to the 20th Knesset.

www.jpost.com

 

[Kenny]

Dialogue ...

Q - Hey, Ali, Salwa, any thoughts about a two-state solution?​

A - Not at the moment. But could you give us a hand with this rubble? We're trying to find our twins.​

Some questions are untimely.

Some statements say it all...

“It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror,” it decreed. Hamas also rejected any prospect of peace or coexistence with the state of Israel. “Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.”

Logically with this along with the video, we can surmise that there is no solution on the part of the Palestinians. It is a shame they don’t really want peace. A shame they don’t have their own children in mind.

Doctrine of Hamas

www.wilsoncenter.org

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."

So much for peace.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe that is why it won’t work?

Influencer went to the West Bank to see if Palestinians support Hamas – he almost didn’t make it out alive

Influencer Zach Sage Fox traveled to the West Bank to see if Palestinian people truly support the Hamas terror group, but he almost didn’t make it out alive.

www.foxnews.com

What a shallow take on things....designed to justify Israel's
continued oppression, killing, & conquest in Gaza.

 

[Kenny]

What a shallow take on things....designed to justify Israel's
continued oppression, killing, & conquest in Gaza.

I can’t ignore reality.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can’t ignore reality.

And I just commented on the reality
of your posts continually giving sole
blame for the conflict to Palestinians.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I can’t ignore reality.

I'm not sure whether you saw my earlier question. I'll quote it here because I think it still applies:

But let me flip around the question here: if current evidence demonstrated that a majority of Palestinians supported a two-state solution, would you support that solution yourself? Why or why not?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Sorry, my friend. I somehow missed the question. The answer is: absolutely, first and foremost because I support the Palestinian right to self-determination.

I know you do, which I have always deeply appreciated. The question was for the OP (although I probably should have been clearer about that, given how it was right below your post).

Salaam, friend.

 

[Estro Felino]

And I just commented on the reality
of your posts continually giving sole
blame for the conflict to Palestinians.

Just in case: an elitist group in the US enormously benefit from the sale of warfare.
So they enormously benefit from this war.

 

[Kenny]

I'm not sure whether you saw my earlier question. I'll quote it here because I think it still applies:

I’m sorry I didn’t catch it.

I have supported a two-state solution. Which is what has got me befuddled. As I can see it, it has been offered by Israel on multiple occasions.

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their...

lawandsocietymagazine.com

So, as I view the video, past occurrences, rhetoric and the declaration by Hamas… I don’t think it is possible unless a miracle happens

 

[Revoltingest]

Just in case: an elitist group in the US enormously benefit from the sale of warfare.
So they enormously benefit from this war.

It's a Christian & Zionist thing.
They fleece all of us taxpayers
for their religious thuggery.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a Christian & Zionist thing.
They fleece all of us taxpayers
for their religious thuggery.

It's not a Christian thing, to begin with.
Christians want peace between the two parties.
Those who don't want peace are those who need to sell weapons.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I’m sorry I didn’t catch it.

I have supported a two-state solution. Which is what has got me befuddled. As I can see it, it has been offered by Israel on multiple occasions.

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their...

lawandsocietymagazine.com

So, as I view the video, past occurrences, rhetoric and the declaration by Hamas… I don’t think it is possible unless a miracle happens

Every single one of the offers cited in the article had its own issues. Just because past offers were rejected doesn't mean a future one couldn't address the flaws of the past offers and lead to a two-state outcome.

Also, I notice that the article is written from an extremely one-sided viewpoint that is exclusively and strongly in favor of Israel without demonstrating any understanding of Palestinian concerns or the finer details of the proposals on the list. One can't understand a group's perspectives or concerns by reading about, rather than from, said group from someone whose viewpoint is biased against them—just as reading about Protestantism from, say, an ardently anti-religious atheist wouldn't be as effective for understanding a Protestant perspective as actually listening to Protestant scholars and priests talk about their own beliefs.

I'm under no illusion that a peace process would be quick, easy, or simple, but I believe that if leadership in the region (Israel-Palestine) mutually wanted it to happen, a miracle wouldn't be needed.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not a Christian thing, to begin with.
Christians want peace between the two parties.

Christians in USA provide money & material
to commit oppression & genocide. They do it
because of belief in Zionism at all cost.

 

[Kenny]

Every single one of the offers cited in the article had its own issues. Just because past offers were rejected doesn't mean a future one couldn't address the flaws of the past offers and lead to a two-state outcome.

No doubt… and hopefully one day it will. But when the average person today on the street says “NO ISRAEL! DUH!” so to speak, I personally don’t see any possibility without a miracle.

Also, I notice that the article is written from an extremely one-sided viewpoint that is exclusively and strongly in favor of Israel without demonstrating any understanding of Palestinian concerns or the finer details of the proposals on the list. One can't understand a group's perspectives or concerns by reading about, rather than from, said group from someone whose viewpoint is biased against them—just as reading about Protestantism from, say, an ardently anti-religious atheist wouldn't be as effective for understanding a Protestant perspective as actually listening to Protestant scholars and priests talk about their own beliefs.

It isn’t the tenor that I was trying to look for. It was just the history. The historical information is correct. 4 attempts and all stopped by the Palestinian and Arabic nations.

I'm under no illusion that a peace process would be quick, easy, or simple, but I believe that if leadership in the region (Israel-Palestine) mutually wanted it to happen, a miracle wouldn't be needed.

Hope you are right… but as Oct 7th, arsenal production factories, billions of dollars of tunnel infrastructure, Hisbollah’s efforts along with Iran, I wouldn’t bet on it…. without a miracle.

 

[anotherneil]

I would not Trust Trump to tell me which Ocean is the Atlantic and which is the Pacific, @anotherneil. His input is irrelevant.

He's not irrelevant if he becomes POTUS again.

 

[LuisDantas]

He's not irrelevant if he becomes POTUS again.

Which is why that can't happen.

 

[anotherneil]

Which is why that can't happen.

Why?

 

[sun rise]

I always wondered why time after time after time when Israel has said “yes” to the two state solution and given territory and other concessions, it never worked.

I don't read the history the way you do. I've never seen Israel really willing to work for a true two state solution for long. Rabin was assassinated for trying to work toward it. We've seen settlers with the aid of the Israeli government taking over East Bank land. Certainly fanatics on both sides have worked hard to make sure there was no real peace and that's a supreme tragedy.

Did you know that in Israel there are Muslims in the Knesset to have equal representation?

And the last Israeli administration had a Muslim party in government. Muslims in Israel have been second class citizens and now we have fanatics trying to drive them off their land and worse. We've had the Israeli government taking Arab property in Jerusalem.

 

[sun rise]

Addendum: Torture, abuse, unfit conditions: The allegations over Sde Teiman and its guards - Jews have tortured Palestinians which is an illustration of my point.