I don't believe in any entity called lucifer.
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Are all atheists facing Hell?
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Spiderman
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No, Atheists are fine. God wants there to be Atheists because he hides himself and leaves the world confused and divided. If God didn't want there to be atheists he could just speak up. Atheists don't know they are rejecting the truth. Many Atheists, if they knew what the truth was,would be all for it and do a better job than most Christians.
After death, Atheists will be enlightened about the truth. Then they have the option of where they want to go. If they know the fullness of truth and still reject it, then they will be tossed into the fire. It isn't eternal fire. It is fire of purification. God told his people that they would be purified by fire as gold is purified by fire.
After death, Atheists will be enlightened about the truth. Then they have the option of where they want to go. If they know the fullness of truth and still reject it, then they will be tossed into the fire. It isn't eternal fire. It is fire of purification. God told his people that they would be purified by fire as gold is purified by fire.
I take it that you want our intervention on your behalf?
Grandliseur
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The word hell in the KJV comes from either Hades (Gr.), Sheol (Heb.) or Gehenna (location name), Tartarus (not used in regard to humans). In the first two cases, this refers to mankind's common grave in which people are no longer, they no longer exist, but haven't been judged yet; thus their condition is perhaps temporary. Gehenna refers to a place where refuse was burned and therefore means eternal destruction in death; this is after judgment that some have their records shifted to that folder.
In this manner, there is no life after death, in death. Only by being resurrected do people live again. Those judged wicked by God on judgment day, and even before, will die the eternal sleep.
That there are parables, and in Revelation, things that cause people to believe otherwise is true. Still, it does not change what is. Hell is not a hell of torment, but of sleep, temporary or eternal.
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Father Heathen
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I can't find the word hell mentioned at John 3:36.
I find everlasting life mentioned, and the Not seeing of life ( No everlasting life ).
Also, to which hell are you referring, the temporary biblical hell, or the permanent non-biblical hell of burning.
Jesus was Not an atheist, and the day Jesus' died the dead Jesus went to hell as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Jesus taught what he learned for the old Hebrew Scriptures that the dead are in an unconscious sleep-like state.
Such as found at John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Jesus remained in temporary biblical hell until his God resurrected Jesus out of hell - Acts 3:15; Psalms 16:10.
Everyone in biblical hell will be ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of hell ) according to Revelation 20:13-14.
( Jesus has the keys to unlock death and biblical hell according to Revelation 1:18 )
Emptied-out hell will be cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
Since Jesus will destroy Satan and Satan ends up in ' second death ', then ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction. As in the wicked will be destroyed forever - Hebrews 2:14 B; Revelation 21:8; Psalms 92:7.
That is a pretty decent point.
I'm an atheist but if I repent say two years before I die, does that mean I won't go to hell any longer?
How does that work?
QuestioningMind
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Lucifer is a figment of your imagination and resides in your mind.
Looks like they are in need of a good real estate developer! Do you know any?
About as bizarre as a narcissistic God?
Desert Snake
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I didn't write the Bible.
Gehenna is actually not a literal place, in context of the /lake of fire, or destruction. It is a spiritual place, and basically became the christian 'hell', not the Hades idea, although they used Hades in translations as well. Christians knew what 'hell' meant, and it doesn't mean the waiting period before judgement, second coming. Hell happens after judgement, and this is why 'hell' itself, the other hell, the hades type, presumably, is itself cast into Gehenna, after the final event.
//a physical place that shares a name, Gehenna, cannot be the actual christian hell.
Read above.^
That would be the subject of repentance, really. Nothing preventing repentance, I guess, however what that would mean is debatable.
Actually Lucifer is a title, and used for Jesus. The translation where they call some king 'lucifer', is imo a mistaken translation, and Lucifer isn't Satan, imo, either.
Desert Snake
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That's your theory, I guess.
Grandliseur
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Gehenna - Wikipedia
Gehenna is a physical place that was used to throw out garbage, dead animals, and dead criminals. Its use in scripture when . .
Matthew 5:Matthew 5:22 But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna.
. . Jesus used it, indicated total destruction of a person. Thus, its real time purpose and purpose when used figuratively is the same, namely, destruction. Those who are thrown into the 'fiery Gehenna' will not be resurrected.
29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. 30 If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.
In this usage, the figurative Gehenna and the Lake of Fire are one and the same. In the KJV this is phrased this way, ". . .Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. "
To state it clearly with emphasis. Gehenna in its Biblical application - is destruction, eternal sleep. There is no kind of hell in which living dead are tormented.
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But it's you who believes its fictional heaven and hell as if they are true and started a thread on that basis. Why would they consider this fiction as true?
Desert Snake
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I'm not arguing that they would. That doesn't change the fact that they might be facing Hell because of their decision. The Bible isn't vague about this; accepting Jesus, and some Jews, is the way to attain salvation, and there really isn't an excuse, since most atheists cannot claim ignorance to religious and Biblical inference.
Desert Snake
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Neither do I . Lucifer was mistakenly applied to a king, and a entity, when in reality, it is a title, not an insult. That is why they used for Jesus, because the meaning isn't what people later made it to mean.
Not by my estimation.
Desert Snake
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Then this thread is sort of funny.
Desert Snake
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Could be. That's situational, most likely.
That being said, in Scriptural debates, and actual real Christian debate, the position of atheism is a very bad premise.