Are all atheists facing Hell?

[Desert Snake]

IMO, trying to figure out who's going to Hell before you even establish that Hell exists at all is putting the cart before the horse.

I personally believe in Hell/s.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I personally believe in Hell/s.

And you believing in something implies it must be real?

 

[Darkstorn]

And you believing in something implies it must be real?

It also seems to imply others have to argue his belief with rationality.

Which kind of makes this thread into a joke:

First we must assume the premise that his belief is correct.

Then we must assume that ANOTHER belief of his is also correct.

And that's the entire argument.

 

[Desert Snake]

And you believing in something implies it must be real?

You not believing in something implies that it isn't real?

 

[Darkstorn]

You not believing in something implies that it isn't real?

I say in neither case does it imply that it either is, or isn't real.

I think he's literally saying that we must weigh your belief as belief, not actual truth.

 

[Desert Snake]

I say in neither case does it imply that it either is, or isn't real.

I think he's literally saying that we must weigh your belief as belief, not actual truth.

Where is your argument that hell/s isn't real?

 

[Darkstorn]

Where is your argument that hell isn't real?

Burden of proof. You started the debate, you made the op. You made claims.

I have neither claimed that hell is, or isn't real. This is the reason you haven't seen such an argument.

 

[Desert Snake]

Right, you're speaking in riddles, and being vague. Why don't you state whether you believe in Hell/s?

 

[Darkstorn]

Right, you're speaking in riddles, and being vague.

No i'm not. I never made such claims to begin with.

Why don't you state whether you believe in Hell/s?

Because this is a debate thread, and not "what do you believe in?" thread.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You not believing in something implies that it isn't real?

Beliefs don't dictate reality.

This thread has already shown a range of viewpoints: some people believe that Hell exists, some believe it doesn't, and some haven't committed one way or the other.

The belief that Hell is real is not part of the common beliefs of the people in this conversation, but it's necessary - though not sufficient - to believe that Hell exists to accept the premise that atheists go there.

 

[Darkstorn]

but it's necessary - though not sufficient - to believe that Hell exists to accept the premise that atheists go there.

And this is exactly the problem. I need a bit more to accept the premise than his holy book.

I don't even think of this as a proper debate because of it.

 

[Desert Snake]

No i'm not. I never made such claims to begin with.



Because this is a debate thread, and not "what do you believe in?" thread.

The premise is a Biblical claim. I happen to personally believe in Hell/s.
You haven't presented an argument, neither have you presented your beliefs in the context of an argument.

 

[Darkstorn]

The premise is a Biblical claim. I happen to personally believe in Hell/s.

This isn't a biblical forum section, so your premise is unreasonable. And hinges on faith. It's not a proper debate. I don't believe you, and you aren't really even trying to convince me. You merely present a belief of yours as the premise of an argument. But how are we going to argue that?

By saying "no?" Well. Fair enough. But here's the thing: I don't think i know sufficiently to give you a yes or no answer to a question like the OP proposes. I would be lying. And i feel you are being dishonest as well by imagining that you can know.

You haven't presented an argument, neither have you presented your beliefs in the context of an argument.

I don't think beliefs are valid debating points. Sorry.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Some churches have inferred otherwise, however, the Bible does not mince it's words,

People who wear cotton and polyester are going to hell per the bible. The authors have poor priorities.

The Bible isn't vague about this; accepting Jesus, and some Jews, is the way to attain salvation, and there really isn't an excuse, since most atheists cannot claim ignorance to religious and Biblical inference.

And I believe "Truth" is salvation. Jesus is unnecessary.

 

[Desert Snake]

People who wear cotton and polyester are going to hell per the bible. The authors have poor priorities.


And I believe "Truth" is salvation. Jesus is unnecessary.

Interesting point, yet probably lost on most atheists. The Bible afaik does not claim, that salvation via Jesus is always necessary.

 

[Darkstorn]

Interesting point, yet probably lost on most atheists.

I think the effect statements like these have on your op is probably lost on you.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think the effect statements like these have on your op is probably lost on you.

I'm stating indications, exampled by for instance the fact that you are disagreeing with the premise op, without presenting your beliefs, and also not presenting an argument.

 

[Darkstorn]

I'm stating indications, exampled by for instance the fact that you are disagreeing with the premise op, without presenting your beliefs, and also not preaenting an argument. When you want to be vague, it limits any actual argument, and simply makes you seem like you're trolling, or something.

This statement has nothing to do with what i said.

I was implying that you making blanket statements to support your original blanket statement doesn't really bring great confidence in me regarding your ability to debate your own views.

If you can make statements like the one i quoted in my previous post, i can make blanket statements like this: ALL theists probably lack personal hygiene.

/E: It is interesting to note that i haven't outright disagreed with your original statement. However, for your claims to be true, the only logical conclusion is that you would share said hell with the atheists you claim to be going there. Because of your behavior.

 

[LuisDantas]

Really?

Wow! Of course. Congratulations for finding the means to ask.

Then you would disagree with the moralistic arguments as well, yet you never do.

Why would you think such a thing? Do you associate hell beliefs with morality, or something like that?

Do you actually think Pascal's Wager is morally useful? That would be sort of fabulous.

There is no theism, yet there is morality?

Theism exists. Morality is harmed by the existence of its Abrahamic variety, which loses its way depressingly often and threatens to corrupt morality along its way into collapse. But morality certainly exists, and it is very important and quite real.

Morality is actually an emergent propriety of abstract thought and perception of reality.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I used my brain.

 

[Polymath257]

I personally don't subscribe to the idea that all atheism is the same. Also, you are agnostic, I would advise against lumping yourself together with the 'atheism' belief set.

I don't have a belief in any deity. I find most descriptions of deities to be either contradictory or completely unbelievable.

I think that qualifies me as an atheist.