Are all gods illiterate

[Kriya Yogi]

Which is why I don't scoff anymore.

Well that is good. You have opened your mind and or become more wise huh?

I do enjoy him very much, and do consider his teachings important in my life. He and his school of Yoga simply doesn't have a monopoly on that; I also very much enjoy the teachings of Ramakrishna and Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami.

Yes they are all very wise indeed. Many paths to the same center. I just wish some would realize that there are TRUE paths to God right now waiting for you. You just have to be open to trying them. Don't disbelieve until you have experimented for yourself. I can only beg and usher people so much, but at the end of the day everyone must choose for themselves. At least I can say I tried to let them know there are true options out there.

 

[Riverwolf]

Well that is good. You have opened your mind and or become more wise huh?

Yeah, mostly based on the question: "What if he's right?" Completely unscientific and probably irrational, but I don't care. ^_^

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Yeah, mostly based on the question: "What if he's right?" Completely unscientific and probably irrational, but I don't care. ^_^

There is a scientific way to slowly prove what he says is right though. I've been practicing his teachings for years now and practice Kriya Yoga all the time. Just to let you know it has open up flood gates of bliss upon my being. I've intuitively become more perceptive and my compassion has increased ten fold. My prayers are always answered, but the big thing to me is the testimonials by my father and many other Kriyabans. My father has had true out of body experiences, and I have had superconscious experiences as well. I consider myself still a beginner and I've already verified in my own experience much of what he claims as true in my own being. So you see there is a scientific approach to these teachings. It's why I'm so sure about them as real.

 

[Riverwolf]

There is a scientific way to slowly prove what he says is right though. I've been practicing his teachings for years now and practice Kriya Yoga all the time. Just to let you know it has open up flood gates of bliss upon my being. I've intuitively become more perceptive and my compassion has increased ten fold. My prayers are always answered, but the big thing to me is the testimonials by my father and many other Kriyabans. My father has had true out of body experiences, and I have had superconscious experiences as well. I consider myself still a beginner and I've already verified in my own experience much of what he claims as true in my own being. So you see there is a scientific approach to these teachings. It's why I'm so sure about them as real.

I'm afraid that's not scientific at all; that's anecdotal. There could be other explanations for your experiences besides what Yogananda and others have claimed.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

I'm afraid that's not scientific at all; that's anecdotal. There could be other explanations for your experiences besides what Yogananda and others have claimed.

Not if it works for everyone in the exact same way. If its tested among multiple peers and they all receive the same result what else can it be but scientific?

 

[Riverwolf]

Not if it works for everyone in the exact same way. If its tested among multiple peers and they all receive the same result what else can it be but scientific?

It's not the results that I'm referring to; it's the reasons for the results that I'm talking about. I have no doubt that the results are very real.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

It's not the results that I'm referring to; it's the reasons for the results that I'm talking about. I have no doubt that the results are very real.

It's the same repetitive meditation technique everyone in the Kriya line teaches and practices and they all give the same testimony.

 

[Riverwolf]

It's the same repetitive meditation technique everyone in the Kriya line teaches and practices and they all give the same testimony.

I actually just realized why this isn't scientific: this kind of thinking is actually logically fallacious.

I have ten fingers. Every human I've met has ten fingers (unless one is cut off.) Therefore, all humans are born with ten fingers? Not so.

Besides, these testimonies could be influenced by those of others. In order for this to be scientific, we'd need to get people who have never heard of these techniques before, don't know who gave them, never read other testimonies, and never meet each other, and see what they have to say after a few set periods of time.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

I actually just realized why this isn't scientific: this kind of thinking is actually logically fallacious.

I have ten fingers. Every human I've met has ten fingers (unless one is cut off.) Therefore, all humans are born with ten fingers? Not so.

Besides, these testimonies could be influenced by those of others. In order for this to be scientific, we'd need to get people who have never heard of these techniques before, don't know who gave them, never read other testimonies, and never meet each other, and see what they have to say after a few set periods of time.

Ok whatever you say man. There are doubters who try it and they still get the same results. It's all been done before. I know it's scientific, and the world will know it to be so once they become open minded to it and more of the population knows about it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Anecdotes are not scientific evidence. Regardless of how many you have.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Anecdotes are not scientific evidence. Regardless of how many you have.

So if millions say it works that still isn't good enough huh? It may not be scientific in terms of the strict sense of the word but to those who try it and it works they know personally that it is a science because it is repetitive and gives the exact same results to all.

Also sorry Outhouse. Not trying to tangent your thread.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So if millions say it works that still isn't good enough huh? It may not be scientific in terms of the strict sense of the word but to those who try it and it works they know personally that it is a science because it is repetitive and gives the exact same results to all.

So the problem is that you don't understand what science is.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

So the problem is that you don't understand what science is.

I know what science is. Knowledge attained through study or practice. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I know what science is. Knowledge attained through study or practice. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.

Right, you don't understand what science is.

 

[waitasec]

So if millions say it works that still isn't good enough huh? It may not be scientific in terms of the strict sense of the word but to those who try it and it works they know personally that it is a science because it is repetitive and gives the exact same results to all.

how so?

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Right, you don't understand what science is.

I understand for science to claim it as scientific they must use the scientific method. That is what Yogi's do. Just in a less formal way, but they do come to the same results.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I understand for science to claim it as scientific they must use the scientific method. That is what Yogi's do. Just in a less formal way, but they do come to the same results.

Right, they don't use the scientific method. It isn't science.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

how so?

For many reasons. Main one is the supernal bliss felt within. Another the slowing down of the aging process in bodily cells. Another the consistent peace and upliftment it brings to all after practicing it. Another many have experienced Samadhi and superconscious experiences through persistent practice. It also increases health and reduces stress consistently. Everyone feels the deep energy in their spine or kundalini. They also all can hear the vibration of energy or aum sound louder and louder as they meditate. Ultimately it definitely changes ones awareness and makes everyone more compassionate and spiritual. This is an external result that everyone can see.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Right, they don't use the scientific method. It isn't science.

Ok so it's not in the same formal routine as public science but Yogi's like myself know due to personal experimentation that it is indeed scientific. Quite frankly that is all we really need. We don't need public science to deem things scientific for them to be science. Just as gravity was already scientific before the public deemed as such so are these meditation techniques. The community will eventually catch on once they deem it worthy to experiment on.

 

[Riverwolf]

Ok so it's not in the same formal routine as public science but Yogi's like myself know due to personal experimentation that it is indeed scientific. Quite frankly that is all we really need. We don't need public science to deem things scientific for them to be science. Just as gravity was already scientific before the public deemed as such so are these meditation techniques. The community will eventually catch on once they deem it worthy to experiment on.

I think you're confusing science with existence.

Science is about searching for truth, and is a man-made method. Gravity has always been there, but science hasn't always demonstrated this. Science is a process, not a state of being.