Are all Religions the Same ?- Dr. David Frawley

[Twilight Hue]

I don't see the name "David Frawley" in that article

It's his school ding a ling. :0)

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

I'm so immature... Over here giggling at 'ding a ling'...

 

[Valjean]

no not the same. the Bible god is virulent violent god. unlike the god of islam. who does not murder infants in cribs of Egypt [passover]

But aren't they the same God, just different events?

 

[Valjean]

It is the same God, since there is only one true God, but the God depicted in the Old Testament is is an anthropomorphism of God, not God.

By contrast, the God of Islam is an accurate depiction of the one true God.

Can you substantiate that? I daresay there are a lot of religions that make similar claims.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Can you substantiate that? I daresay there are a lot of religions that make similar claims.

And individuals like myself, who would proclaim that Abraham's God was... Abraham's God.

 

[syo]

How silliness? Isn't your religion silly, if you look at it critically?
Does silly mean strange or unfamiliar, to you?

Silly is silly.

 

[stvdv]

It's his school ding a ling. :0)

Aha

And his school was closed...that happens. Doesn't say much to me. Definitely not something to talk negative about him

He did many good things
Him calling himself dr. does not upset me
He helped me understanding Ayurveda better

 

[Valjean]

So yes, they all have the same goal, just different methods, or overlapping methods.

No! Not the same goals.
The Abrahamics seek a blissful heaven and salvation from Hell, while retaining their individual personalities, sensorium and qualia.
The Hindus seek a status epilepticus, with radical alteration of perception, annihilation of sensorium, and merger with an unchanging, timeless, dimensionless, non-phenomenological, Unity.
The Buddhists imagine a similar blowing out of individual personality, but mainly concern themselves with worldly matters of suffering, equanimity and mindfulness.
The Norse sought a brutal 'heaven' of violence, battle and death.

Very, very different goals and metaphysical philosophies in different religious traditions.

 

[Valjean]

Silly is silly.

Well that clarifies things....

 

[Valjean]

Is he really saying they are all the same? It seems like he is saying there are differences, but dont judge them because there are fingers pointing at yourself.

He's saying they are very different, in multiple respects.

 

[Valjean]

All rivers come forth from the rains that fall from the same heavens, different times, different places, thus seen as the Word of God flowing from the different Messengers and all flow into the ocean to become the ocean of God's Word.

"The rivers of divine wisdom and utterance which flowed through the Tablets of God are joined to this Most Great Ocean, could ye but perceive it, and whatever hath been set forth in His Books hath attained its final consummation in this most exalted Word — a Word shining above the horizon of the Will of the All-Glorious in this Revelation which hath filled with delight all things seen and unseen." – Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts.

Regards Tony

What's that got to do with the OP's question?
Not all religions even have a God, much less a god with a message for mankind.

 

[stvdv]

That Messenger brings a message from God that humanity needs in the age in which he appeared but it is not the same message that was needed in past ages, nor will it be the message that humanity will need in a future age.

You do realize that it's already ages ago Bahaullah came as a Messenger.

Anyway, I believe that any Religion has plenty of Wisdom in it's Scriptures.

The keypoint is to put in practice the good things that are taught. Once I put in practice I need no new Messengers, God Himself will guide me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Aha

And his school was closed...that happens. Doesn't say much to me. Definitely not something to talk negative about him

He did many good things
Him calling himself dr. does not upset me
He helped me understanding Ayurveda better

And all is well and good, but misleading people to think your something that your not is crooked imo. It tells me that person is dishonest and willing to lie and mislead others.

It would be much better served if these people go by something more appropriate to their religious stock and trade.

Maybe call themselves Reverend or Venerable which is more fitting and honest than hiding behind a fake Doctorate degree.

 

[stvdv]

I thought it was pretty interesting and might be something worth sharing

Indeed interesting. And worth sharing

21:00/22:00 he mentions the importance that theological ethics should not be imposed as universal ethics on other faiths

Example:
It's fine (not fun imo) to believe you go to Hell if....
It's not okay to impose that as fact onto others

 

[Valjean]

What you say the goal is this or that of Hindu or Buddhist tradition, can you justify those claims with evidence? Why do you call it a seizure?

What sort of evidence; that this actually is Eastern religious metaphysics? Any review of Eastern vs Western theology will describe these differences.

Seizure? Because, technically, it is. It's an extreme alteration of neurological function; a sort of "short-circuiting" or synæsthesia of certain brain regions, with a radical alteration of sensorium and qualia.
It's an electrochemical disruption of neural pathways that can be mapped with fMRI, MRI, PET, and is even noticable with a standard EEG.

Classic Hallucinogens and Mystical Experiences: Phenomenology and Neural Correlates
Your Brain on Psychedelics Might Look the Same as Your Brain on Religious Mysticism
Mystical Experiences Open a 'Door of Perception' in the Brain

 

[sayak83]

What sort of evidence; that this actually is Eastern religious metaphysics? Any review of Eastern vs Western theology will describe these differences.

Seizure? Because, technically, it is. It's an extreme alteration of neurological function; a sort of "short-circuiting" or synæsthesia of certain brain regions, with a radical alteration of sensorium and qualia.
It's an electrochemical disruption of neural pathways that can be mapped with fMRI, MRI, PET, and is even noticable with a standard EEG.

Classic Hallucinogens and Mystical Experiences: Phenomenology and Neural Correlates
Your Brain on Psychedelics Might Look the Same as Your Brain on Religious Mysticism
Mystical Experiences Open a 'Door of Perception' in the Brain

Some seizures may generate those experiences, but in general seizures are debilitating conditions for the patients. In my view mystical experiences should be classified as seizure.
I agree that certain substances can make it easier to go into some sort of mystical experiences by altering the ego driven structure of thought that typically dominates consciousness.

 

[Valjean]

If I am honest this sounds like a bit of an over simplification.

It is a simplification, but not, IMHO, over.

I would say this is a gross oversimplification of what Buddhism and Hinduism teach. You have myriad paths within Hinduism alone which would say this idea is fairly nonsensical. Early Vedic traditions would hold to a view that is almost spiritual materialism in a sense where your main goal is to do rituals properly to gain benefits. Mimamsa vs something like Vedanta may as well be different religions with different goals as an example.

The myriad paths are different brain alteration modalities. The gods and rituals are tools; focusing techniques, that can be discarded once the desired expansion of awareness is achieved.

For the average Patel, of course, these are abstract, far away goals; the concern of saddhus and mystics. Most people in all religions just observe the rituals, hope for material benefit, and don't concern themselves overmuch with abstract theology.

 

[Valjean]

Some seizures may generate those experiences, but in general seizures are debilitating conditions for the patients. In my view mystical experiences should be classified as seizure.

Quite so. Not all seizures are the tonic-clonic, grand mal type most people picture, though most are debilitating or problematic. There are also absence seizures; sleepwalking &al.

I agree that certain substances can make it easier to go into some sort of mystical experiences by altering the ego driven structure of thought that typically dominates consciousness.

Yes, inducing mystico-memetic experiences is a lot easier and more manageable than hauling Tibetan monks into the laboratory.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you substantiate that? I daresay there are a lot of religions that make similar claims.

No, I cannot prove that, it is just my personal opinion.
Others have different opinions since we all view things differently.

 

[Trailblazer]

You do realize that it's already ages ago Bahaullah came as a Messenger.

I believe we are still living in the new age that was ushered in by the Bab in 1844 AD.

Anyway, I believe that any Religion has plenty of Wisdom in it's Scriptures.

I fully agree.