Are Americans disposed to fight a war against Russia?

[Wu Wei]

Someone shot at John Lennon because he had dared sing a different, warless world.

You really need to look into what John Lennon was really like and you REALLY need to look into the real reasons, not the fantasifull one you have, why Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon.... it had absolutely nothing to do with what he was singing about a "warless world" as you seem to want us to believe

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Even in Ukraine large chunks of the armies are positioned in trenches opposing each other. And attacks are led by artillery bombardments and tank attacks.
Elite forces are used among or behind enemy lines and are generally far more effective.
Smart weapons and drones have added another dimension to warfare.
I am surprised that no one is using two part drones where the main body and explosive can carry on to the target, after locking on, while the much smaller hightec command module returns to base under its own power.

 

[Regiomontanus]

You really need to look into what John Lennon was really like and you REALLY need to look into the real reasons, not the fantasifull one you have, why Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon.... it had absolutely nothing to do with what he was singing about a "warless world" as you seem to want us to believe

According to ChatGPT:

"John Lennon was murdered by **Mark David Chapman** on December 8, 1980, outside Lennon's apartment building, The Dakota, in New York City.

Chapman’s stated reason for the murder has varied, but his main explanation was that he wanted to achieve fame. He had also become obsessed with J.D. Salinger's novel *The Catcher in the Rye* and viewed himself as a sort of protector of innocence, believing Lennon to be a "phony," a term frequently used in the novel. Chapman claimed that he was angered by what he perceived as Lennon’s hypocrisy, particularly Lennon’s wealth and lifestyle, which he thought contradicted the message of peace and love Lennon promoted in his music. He also cited religious reasons, being upset with Lennon’s 1966 comment that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus."

Chapman’s mental health issues, combined with these motivations, led him to stalk Lennon for several days before committing the murder."

 

[Wu Wei]

According to ChatGPT:

"John Lennon was murdered by **Mark David Chapman** on December 8, 1980, outside Lennon's apartment building, The Dakota, in New York City.

Chapman’s stated reason for the murder has varied, but his main explanation was that he wanted to achieve fame. He had also become obsessed with J.D. Salinger's novel *The Catcher in the Rye* and viewed himself as a sort of protector of innocence, believing Lennon to be a "phony," a term frequently used in the novel. Chapman claimed that he was angered by what he perceived as Lennon’s hypocrisy, particularly Lennon’s wealth and lifestyle, which he thought contradicted the message of peace and love Lennon promoted in his music. He also cited religious reasons, being upset with Lennon’s 1966 comment that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus."

Chapman’s mental health issues, combined with these motivations, led him to stalk Lennon for several days before committing the murder."

Yup, wow, Chat GPT is actually pretty much right.....but he did not kill him for singing about a world without war.. aka a "warless world"

As for Lennon himself..... his public persona and his real persona.... were rather different

 

[Father Heathen]

Exactly.
I am a pacifist because I think war is not worthy of the human nature.
Because we have evolved from the animal stage. Or at least...I have.

How can you be both a pacifist and a Putin apologist when Putin initiated an invasion? Everyone here can see through the guise.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sooner or later Ukrainians will all die in the war.

Will they?
Are you saying Russia plans a genocide?

So....with what soldiers will the comedian Zely intend to fight this war?

For the time being, with the soldiers that are kicking russian buttocks

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The funny thing is that young and vital president believes Europeans will go to the steppe to fight that stupid war...
which is a proxy war against Russia.

You didn't read the article, did you?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am right often.

You mean, you believe you are often right. Even when shown wrong.
Great "evidence" you got there.

I remember that many years ago people here used to laugh at me, just because I was telling that Nationalists would take over in many European countries.
The threads are still there. They said I was a visionary.

First, I would very much dispute that "many" such countries were "taken over".
But let's run with it for the sake of argument...

Being right about one, or even several things, doesn't therefor mean you are right about everything.

Reflect on what you just did here....
You make claim X, are asked for evidence and your response is "well I was also right about completely unrelated claim Y"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The EU must safeguard its own interests.

Yeah, that's why it is probably a good idea to stand up against Russian bullying at our borders.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Honestly I believe Americans hate Putin because he says the truth.
If he wants war, he says it. If he wants something, he says it.

Actually, more often then not when Putin says something... then the most likely truth is the exact opposite of whatever he says.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's the 'Nukes' that should scare the whole planet, Is Putin that crazy becomes the question. Would his generals follow their orders?

I very much doubt it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Self-criticism is what enabled us Europeans to repudiate the notion of war, because of the monstrous things done during Nazism.

Sure. But that doesn't mean that we should just turn around and bend over when attacked by an aggressor / bully.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

My country didn't start anything.

Our government said: we are not at war with Russia. I can provide you links and evidence.

Your government also supplies military aid to Ukraine to defend itself against Russian aggression.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Also because I am a pacifist...
you are a professional soldiers.
The views will differ greatly.

That's not why the views differ greatly.

Your views differ greatly from most of us, because you are drowning in Russian propaganda and crazy conspiracy theories.
That is all.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Exactly.
I am a pacifist because I think war is not worthy of the human nature.
Because we have evolved from the animal stage. Or at least...I have.

So if you are attacked, you will not defend yourself?

 

[Estro Felino]

So if you are attacked, you will not defend yourself?

Of course... but it also depend on the reasons why a country attacked me.

If Austria attacks Italy because it wants South Tyrol back, I can promise you we will not sacrifice thousands of life for the sake of a piece of land.

 

[Estro Felino]

Your government also supplies military aid to Ukraine to defend itself against Russian aggression.

Bravissimo...
you said it all. To defend itself, not to attack Russian territory where civilians live.
Civilians are guiltless.
So if they believe we will go on giving them warfare...after that...they are so deluded.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Of course... but it also depend on the reasons why a country attacked me.

If Austria attacks Italy because it wants South Tyrol back, I can promise you we will not sacrifice thousands of life for the sake of a piece of land.

I'm gonna call BS on that one.
Fortunately, we will never know because Austria isn't a warmongering imperialist aggressor like Russia.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Bravissimo...
you said it all. To defend itself, not to attack Russian territory where civilians live.

1. it has nothing to do with civilians. it has to do with using western weapons to attack Russia on their own territory. The red line for Italy (along with most other countries, and until quite recently, ALL countries that supply them with military aid) is attacking Russia, regardless of the targets. The red line is not "you can only attack military installations in Russia". The red line is simply "don't attack Russia".

2. don't pretend as if I'm not agreeing with you. Italy providing Ukraine with military support means that they recognize that Russia is the invading aggressor who needs to be stopped and kicked back into their own country.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm gonna call BS on that one.
Fortunately, we will never know because Austria isn't a warmongering imperialist aggressor like Russia.

If Italians start persecuting German-speaking people in South Tyrol...will Austria be legitimized to invade Italy to save them?

You are not allowed to plead the fifth...since you are not a criminal so you don't have such a right.