It's not about anybody's ego.
I don't care who wins. I just want this war to terminate. But the only way is negotiations. Not war.
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Are Americans disposed to fight a war against Russia?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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I don't care who wins. I just want this war to terminate. But the only way is negotiations. Not war.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Unlike our past enemies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Somalia, Mighty Grenada, etc.), we'd actually be fighting someone with the capability of fighting back and hitting hard. And on their own soil where we can expect extreme resistance from the local population.
Even those who oppose Putin and would like to see him dead would suddenly change their tune if they saw U.S. troops on Russian soil. Last time the U.S. invaded Russia, it had the effect of throwing the entire population into the arms of the Bolsheviks, who ended up ruing the country for more than 70 years.
Good, because it's really a bad idea for the U.S. to invade Russia.
If they did try it, it would have to be a massive surprise first strike which hopefully wouldn't be detected before they could counter-attack.
PureX
Veteran Member
Of course it is.
No one can trust Putin, now. So negotiating with him is not relevant. He has to concede defeat, and his ego will not allow him to do that. No matter how many Russian lives it costs.
Ukraine cannot win against Russia.
It's ridiculous.
Let me understand: so you want this war to continue, until Russia is defeated?
I suppose a key question one might ask here is if Americans are made of the same stuff we were back during WW2?
I was not alive during that time, but I was raised and grew up around many who were. They often expressed disappointment in the younger generations, thinking that the younger generations were psychologically weaker and not able to handle hardship and adversity as well as they did when they had to.
I've heard criticisms of Americans being too soft, hedonistic, lazy, fat, excessively driven by comfort and luxury and instant gratification.
I've seen recent articles that the military is having trouble getting recruits. (When I tried to join the Navy in the 1980s, recruitment was pretty high at that time, but now, not enough people are joining up.) Another issue which has come up is that American high school kids are suffering a weight problem. Too many in that age group just aren't in very good physical shape, and the military sees this as a potential national security risk (according to some articles I've read lately).
I was not alive during that time, but I was raised and grew up around many who were. They often expressed disappointment in the younger generations, thinking that the younger generations were psychologically weaker and not able to handle hardship and adversity as well as they did when they had to.
I've heard criticisms of Americans being too soft, hedonistic, lazy, fat, excessively driven by comfort and luxury and instant gratification.
I've seen recent articles that the military is having trouble getting recruits. (When I tried to join the Navy in the 1980s, recruitment was pretty high at that time, but now, not enough people are joining up.) Another issue which has come up is that American high school kids are suffering a weight problem. Too many in that age group just aren't in very good physical shape, and the military sees this as a potential national security risk (according to some articles I've read lately).
PureX
Veteran Member
No one has to defeat Russia. The end of Putin will be the end of the war.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Is appeasing tyrants and terrorists really the proper path towards peace, despite the precedents it would set? Is it really war mongering to support those who are defending their lives, land, and liberty from outside aggressors? Isn't such logic quite similar to that of rape apologists?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But why place the onus on the victim rather than on the aggressor? Putin started the war, yet you want to place blame anywhere but on him.
...and it definitely is about Putin's fragile ego. His critics mysteriously tend to fall down stairs or out of windows to their deaths. I suppose that's one of the things you find appealing about him?
What I find appealing about him is that he wants to defend his country from globalization.
And also that he wants to save Christian Europe.
There are much more warlike politicians in Russia who want to be his heirs...
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, he wants to turn into an autocratic Empire with a non-humanistic and non-secular version of Christianity. Even my wife, who is Christian, thinks he is bat **** crazy.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but a warlike politician won't do alone. Have you any idea about how a war is run and what it involves?
As I told you, I have met some of these soldiers who live abroad.
It was a naval air station in Sicily, near the university city where I used to study so the period was 2005-2007.
They were pretty ordinary guys. They used to go to the disco as any other guy of their age.
They didn't want to die in stupid wars in the Middle East or in the steppe.
They wanted to live.
I think being a soldier means to be ready to protect your country or NATO countries. It doesn't mean to be sent as sacrificial victim or as cannon fodder whereas those obese, sinful billionaires smoke cigars in their mansions and gain millions from the sale of warfare.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Huh? Why do you think this?I mean...like in Vietnam...being sent to the steppe to fight the Russian Army.
Because that's what the dems probably plan to do....once they win.
Répondez, mes chers.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
How about some evidence for your assertions first?If you want to convince me that they are a pacifist party and they are not thirsty for war, you can bring me evidence.
Articles, videos...I can understand any accent.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, someone on the Internet says so, so it is true.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Have you heard the phrase, That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?
So all Russians must be crazy...since they elected him.
Maybe you didn't even think whether I started this thread in order to be reassured.
I was expecting sentences like: " no..don't worry...there will be no recruiting of American soldiers".
Some did reassure me...but the rest of you totally misinterpreted this thread.
PureX
Veteran Member
None of them will be stupid enough to follow Putin's folly.