Are atheists arrogant? immoral? angry?

[shunyadragon]

nope - I never open up with an attack on atheist… it is always in context of a response

Teo wrongs do not make it right.

 

[Kenny]

Teo wrongs do not make it right.

Correct… and my statement is in response to the attack - in and of itself, it isn’t an attack… it is just making a statement that is true.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Gravity doesn’t require faith. It’s effects are unavoidable.

However, the Apollo astronauts needed faith that the team who sent them too the moon and brought them back to earth, had done their calculations of the gravitational effects of the earth and moon correctly.

Do you think the astronauts had a good basis for that trust?

I have faith that should tragedy befall me or my loved ones, God would give me the courage to find serenity in the midst of calamity; and of course, were the tragedy of a medical nature, I would put my faith in doctors to do everything in their power to help.

Right: faith in God ends up meaning that God will behave in a way that's entirely consistent with him not existing, and positive things that coincidentally happen (e.g. being able to cope with tragedy) will be attributed to him but negative things (e.g. the tragedy you need to cope with) won't be attributed to him.

 

[shunyadragon]

Correct… and my statement is in response to the attack - in and of itself, it isn’t an attack… it is just making a statement that is true.

It is a selective biased claim of a true statement on your part, and not considering the whole context of history.

Atheism in and of itself has no scriptures or beliefs that would lead to atrocities against fellow humans, Christianity and Islam do have the scriptures and beliefs that can lead to atrocities against other humans.

 

[Kenny]

It is a selective biased claim of a true statement on your part, and not considering the whole context of history.

I think that sword cuts both ways.

Atheism in and of itself has no scriptures or beliefs that would lead to atrocities against fellow humans,

Ok… a little twisted, I think. They have the belief that humans are just animals and if, for some atheists (Stalin and Mao), it is necessary and within their power to expend some people, they can logically say it is “OK"

Christianity and Islam do have the scriptures and beliefs that can lead to atrocities against other humans.

I’m sorry, this seems a little twisted too since Christianity is based on the NT and I can’t see where it supports atrocities unless you can show me through a quote. I did read, “love your neighbor as yourself” though.

 

[shunyadragon]

I think that sword cuts both ways. Then my first statement is valid "Two wrongs do not make a right," is more valid than your assertion of what i 'true


Ok… a little twisted, I think. They have the belief that humans are just animals

Extremely biased false generalization concerning atheist belief, This does not reflect how atheists in general view humanity.

and if, for some atheists (Stalin and Mao), it is necessary and within their power to expend some people, they can logically say it is “OK"

This is also true of the history of Christianity concerning their attitude toward homosexuals and theists. and of course Jews. If it is within their power to expend some people, they can logically say it is “OK.

I’m sorry, this seems a little twisted too since Christianity is based on the NT and I can’t see where it supports atrocities unless you can show me through a quote. I did read, “love your neighbor as yourself” though.

One simple quote does not represent the whole scripture, and the citations against Jews, non-believers and homosexuals that inspire the history of pogroms in Europe, writings of Martin Luther, anti-Semitism in history, Jews accused as Christ killers, and even the strong dislike of atheists, and homosexuals today among Christians, Anti-semitism violence is very very real in the USA today.

 

[Kenny]

Extremely biased false generalization concerning atheist belief, This does not reflect how atheists in general view humanity.

Ok… so they don’t believe we are just another part of the animal kingdom? I didn’t say “all atheists” - I said “some like Stalin and Mao"

This is also true of the history of Christianity concerning their attitude toward homosexuals and theists. and of course Jews. If it is within their power to expend some people, they can logically say it is “OK.

You haven’t quoted me with any scriptures… are you saying there aren’t any? And that you would have to twist what it says to come to that conclusion?

One simple quote does not represent the whole scripture, and the citations against Jews, non-believers and homosexuals that inspire the history of pogroms in Europe, writings of Martin Luther, anti-Semitism in history, Jews accused as Christ killers, and even the strong dislike of atheists, and homosexuals today among Christians, Anti-semitism violence is very very real in the USA today.

OK… what you are saying here is basically what I was saying about some atheists like Stalin and Mao who killed more people than all of Christendom.

 

[shunyadragon]

Ok… so they don’t believe we are just another part of the animal kingdom?

95%+ of all scientists in the fields related to evolution considers humans as part of the animal kingdom regardless of their religious beliefs,. The polls indicate that the dominant belief is Theistic Evolution among Christians, Those that reject evolution do so from a Theistic Christiaan and Islamic agenda. It is unfortunate that you reject the sciences of evolution based on a religious agenda

I didn’t say “all atheists” - I said “some like Stalin and Mao"

Unfortunately your generalization in your previous posts as above as accusing atheists of believing humans are "just" animals.

You haven’t quoted me with any scriptures… are you saying there aren’t any? And that you would have to twist what it says to come to that conclusion?

The list has been provided before in many many threads. I list will be provided in a following post.

OK… what you are saying here is basically what I was saying about some atheists.

Again two wrongs do not make a right. Your egregious accusations continue with your accusations that atheists consider humans :just" animals.

 

[Kenny]

95%+ of all scientists in the fields related to evolution considers humans as part of the animal kingdom regardless of their religious beliefs,. The polls indicate that the dominant belief is Theistic Evolution among Christians, Those that reject evolution do so from a Theistic Christiaan and Islamic agenda. It is unfortunate that you reject the sciences of evolution based on a religious agenda

You're bringing up a strawman.

Unfortunately your generalization in your previous posts as above as accusing atheists of believing humans are "just" animals.

You just said above that we are animals… what’s the beef?

The list has been provided before in many many threads. I list will be provided in a following post.

Again two wrongs do not make a right. Your egregious accusations continue with your accusations that atheists consider humans :just" animals.

Ok… so you didn’t answer with quotes so I can assume my points were valid.

 

[shunyadragon]

You're bringing up a strawman.

No strawman here. you are making the false association and generalization:: Which kind of fallacy is a fallacy that associates a person to the negative ideas of a group he doesnt belong to?.

An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another.

You just said above that we are animals… what’s the beef?

The beef is you associated the sciences of evolution and atheism, which is another fallacy of association.

Ok… so you didn’t answer with quotes so I can assume my points were valid.

I will follow up, be patient and not impetulant.

 

[Kenny]

No strawman here. you are making the false association and generalization:: Which kind of fallacy is a fallacy that associates a person to the negative ideas of a group he doesnt belong to?.

An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another.

We were talking about one thing and then you are inserting another argument to then defeat it… a strawman. You can also call it a red herring too.

The beef is you associated the sciences of evolution and atheism, which is another fallacy of association.

Only in your mind

I will follow up, be patient and not impetulant.

Patience is the fruit of the Spirit.

Our discussion has become irrelevant at this time.

 

[Astrophile]

“For man, man is the supreme being” and should therefore play the role of a god in remaking the world according to their will. Also, in a godless, materialistic world human life has no intrinsic value

Isn't this contradictory? How can man be the supreme being and, at the same time, human life can have no intrinsic value?

so all that matters is the greater good. Given that a communist utopia free of human suffering offers an almost unlimited good, revolutionaries should be willing to sacrifice as many lives as needed in order to speed up its arrival.

This, again looks contradictory. Sacrificing human lives inevitably entails a great deal of human suffering.

 

[Augustus]

This, again looks contradictory. Sacrificing human lives inevitably entails a great deal of human suffering.

When your end goal is utopian, any collateral damage is insignificant.

Killing 10 to save 1000 is, for some at least, an ethical good.


Ditto killing 100 million to perfect humanity forever and end all suffering.

Isn't this contradictory? How can man be the supreme being and, at the same time, human life can have no intrinsic value?

Why would acknowledging there is no higher power than that of humans necessitate a belief that human life has intrinsic value?

Humans are just matter.