Are Atheists Happy?

[Zhakir]

Did they have to know the facts you suggest to write what they did? No.

Suggest? why would anyone who's unable to reply to them,talk like this?!

 

[Seven]

I remember a film some 30 years ago called (The Poseidon Advneture)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film)

It's about a big passenger ship which was hit by a big wave and turns upside down

The surviving passengers try to make their way out to the top, and one of the agnostic passengers said to God (If you are out there, get us out from here) !

It was a good film

I guess nobody ever really knows how they will react when faced with their own death. I'll tell you what, Cordoba, next time I almost die I'll let you know how my atheism holds up

 

[Magic Man]

I remember a film some 30 years ago called (The Poseidon Advneture)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film)

It's about a big passenger ship which was hit by a big wave and turns upside down

The surviving passengers try to make their way out to the top, and one of the agnostic passengers said to God (If you are out there, get us out from here) !

It was a good film

Well done. You just used a movie character to infer something about a large group of people. That's like me making assumptions about you based on a movie of 9/11.

I'm sure some people who don't believe in God or don't say either way would react like that. There are also plenty of theists who reject God in instances of great tragedy. Does that mean that deep down all theists know that God doesn't exist?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I understood,but believe me the case here is different
*This not really my word it's God's (to me it is and to more than 20% of the world population's)
**You didn't really understand me when i talked about agnostics,or when i said athiest can't be 100% sure god doesn't exist even if they are not really agnostics can you deny it

I'm only reporting to you a fact, which only I (not you) am in a position to observe directly and know firsthand: I am not unhappy or afraid that maybe Islam is correct, any more than I am unhappy or afraid that aliens will enslave humanity tomorrow and send us to work on their planetary spice mines. I admit that I can't say with 100% certainty these events won't happen, but I don't take them very seriously, either. Whether I ought to feel this way is a separate question.

Again, I am only reporting this to you on the assumption that you might actually care to know how I feel. If you would rather persist in not knowing, but pretending to know how I feel, by all means ignore what I have to report.

 

[rojse]

Can we take the "Does the Quran predict future science" to another thread? It is completely irrelevant to the happiness or unhappiness of atheists.

 

[linwood]

There are also plenty of theists who reject God in instances of great tragedy. Does that mean that deep down all theists know that God doesn't exist?

Actually I`m willing to bet great tragedies have created more atheists than...the Bible.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Can we take the "Does the Quran predict future science" to another thread? It is completely irrelevant to the happiness or unhappiness of atheists.

It is related to the happiness of physicists, however, most of whom are atheists....because if you show some physicists the arguments about the Quran and physics, they will roll on the floor with laughter.

 

[Cordoba]

Can we take the "Does the Quran predict future science" to another thread? It is completely irrelevant to the happiness or unhappiness of atheists.

You're quite right

This thread is not about whether Atheists are right or wrong

Zakir, please deal with that issue, if you like, on another thread

Thanks

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Are atheists happy?

Are theists tall?

Same caliber of question - same answer.

 

[kai]

A thread yesterday asked whether religion increases human happiness, and the answers included yes through worship, love for others and inner peace

A similar question for atheists:

Does atheism lead to happiness and inner peace?

What do you think?

Happiness? do i need religion to be happy? of course not

inner peace ? what is that? define it?

 

[Zhakir]

I'm only reporting to you a fact, which only I (not you) am in a position to observe directly and know firsthand: I am not unhappy or afraid that maybe Islam is correct, any more than I am unhappy or afraid that aliens will enslave humanity tomorrow and send us to work on their planetary spice mines. I admit that I can't say with 100% certainty these events won't happen, but I don't take them very seriously, either. Whether I ought to feel this way is a separate question.

Again, I am only reporting this to you on the assumption that you might actually care to know how I feel. If you would rather persist in not knowing, but pretending to know how I feel, by all means ignore what I have to report.

**** Fine..though you can't convince me you don't.
**** The answer for that, according to islam is yes you do.

 

[Alceste]

inner peace ? what is that? define it?

Empty the self completely;
Embrace perfect peace.
The world will rise and move;
Watch it return to rest.
All the flourishing things
Will return to their source.

This return is peaceful;
It is the flow of nature,
An eternal decay and renewal.
Accepting this brings enlightenment,
Ignoring this brings misery.

Who accepts nature's flow becomes all-cherishing;
Being all-cherishing he becomes impartial;
Being impartial he becomes magnanimous;
Being magnanimous he becomes natural;
Being natural he becomes one with the Way;
Being one with the Way he becomes immortal:
Though his body will decay, the Way* will not.

-tao te ching

* IMO, "Way" in this context means (roughly) the immutable laws of nature, but theists like to interpret this (wrongly, but perhaps comfortingly for a theist) as "God", or "the way you are supposed to act to please God".

 

[Imagist]

I am not unhappy or afraid that maybe Islam is correct, any more than I am unhappy or afraid that aliens will enslave humanity tomorrow and send us to work on their planetary spice mines. I admit that I can't say with 100% certainty these events won't happen, but I don't take them very seriously, either.

Fine..though you can't convince me you don't.

What could possibly possess you to question whether MrSprinkles believes what he claims to believe?

If that's really open to questioning, then how do we know you aren't secretly a scientologist instead of a Muslim? Sure, you claim to follow Islam, but if I set my mind to it, there's no way you could convince me that you don't believe in Xenu.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What could possibly possess you to question whether MrSprinkles believes what he claims to believe?

If that's really open to questioning, then how do we know you aren't secretly a scientologist instead of a Muslim? Sure, you claim to follow Islam, but if I set my mind to it, there's no way you could convince me that you don't believe in Xenu.

I gotta admit - Scientology seems more likely to be true than Islam.

 

[Zhakir]

What could possibly possess you to question whether MrSprinkles believes what he claims to believe?

I don't need that, he allready said

I can't say with 100% certainty these events won't happen,

 

[Zhakir]

I gotta admit - Scientology seems more likely to be true than Islam.

But not try to prove

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But not try to prove

In the magical world of grammar, this is what is known as a "sentence fragment". Sentence fragments, as the name implies, are incomplete sentences, which generally, result in incomplete thoughts.

For instance, this particular sentence, has neither a "subject", nor an "object", thereby making it impossible to determine what it is that you're trying to say. If you are, in fact, trying to communicate something, try reworking this sentence - and be sure to include a "subject" and "object". Thanks!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well done. You just used a movie character to infer something about a large group of people. That's like me making assumptions about you based on a movie of 9/11.

I think Cordoba previously noted that he's not inferring anything from the movie... which is probably a good thing for him, because while one character in the movie does exhibit a twinge of doubt about his agnosticism while under great stress, another character in the movie, one who starts out very religious, responds to the stress and cruelty of the situation not with doubt, but with flat-out rejection of God. He finally dies when he decides not to rely on God any more and instead takes the burden on himself. He falls to his death in a gesture of sacrifice for the others, cursing God the whole time while he's doing it.

So... if The Poseidon Adventure carried any argumentative weight at all, it certainly wouldn't be in favour of the theist position. Good thing works of fiction don't carry weight in this way.

 

[Zhakir]

In the magical world of grammar, this is what is known as a "sentence fragment". Sentence fragments, as the name implies, are incomplete sentences, which generally, result in incomplete thoughts.

For instance, this particular sentence, has neither a "subject", nor an "object", thereby making it impossible to determine what it is that you're trying to say. If you are, in fact, trying to communicate something, try reworking this sentence - and be sure to include a "subject" and "object". Thanks!

:slap: You know what i mean,that is: prove what you say

 

[Kilgore Trout]

:slap: You know what i mean,that is: prove what you say

Actually I had absolutely no idea what you meant. Thanks for clarifying.

I don't need to prove anything. To me, Scientology seems more likely to be true than Islam. It's a statement of opinion. No proof required.

Just like people's opinions that their religion is correct - it's a statement of opinion - no proof required.