Are atheists liars, deniers or..?

[MonkeyFire]

They're skeptical. If your passive at them they got to naught. Basically they have bad luck.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you know that they're very few in number and have no power at all, do you believe the American Indians can take over the USA in the future?

I hope you are not comparing such a prediction with those of the Qur'an.

Despite the popularity of claims about the predictive power of the Qur'an, it is really very unimpressive on that front.

I don't think I have ever heard of any that do not fall under at least one of these situations. I fully doubt there are any exceptions (because if there were, odds are that they would have been mentioned fairly often).


EITHER: They are self-fulfilling and self-emptying. A typical example are claims along the lines that "there will be many critics and unbelievers", that only seem to have substance for those who make a point of being impressed by those specific claims.


AND / OR: They are so vague as to depend entirely on the willingness of the reader to perceive them as somehow true in either the present or some conceivable future.

This is a very ample category, and because there are so many vaguely predictive claims in the Qur'an (or for that matter, in the Bible) it is quite unreasonable to take them all seriously.

The end result is that people learn to gloss over most or all of them just to keep reading with some semblance of seriousness.

With such reduced expectations and so much text to pick and choose from it sometimes happens that someone will conclude that there are actual predictions/prophecies in the text. As one would expect, they routinely turn out to be very unconvincing.





All things considered, it is a bit sad that the attempt to raise the predictive powers of the Bible or of the Qur'an is even made.

 

[ArtieE]

If you know that they're very few in number and have no power at all,
do you believe the American Indians can take over the USA in the future?

I can't manage to have any beliefs about that at all. It's just not a topic I'm concerned with.

 

[FearGod]

I hope you are not comparing such a prediction with those of the Qur'an.

Despite the popularity of claims about the predictive power of the Qur'an, it is really very unimpressive on that front.

I don't think I have ever heard of any that do not fall under at least one of these situations. I fully doubt there are any exceptions (because if there were, odds are that they would have been mentioned fairly often).


EITHER: They are self-fulfilling and self-emptying. A typical example are claims along the lines that "there will be many critics and unbelievers", that only seem to have substance for those who make a point of being impressed by those specific claims.


AND / OR: They are so vague as to depend entirely on the willingness of the reader to perceive them as somehow true in either the present or some conceivable future.

This is a very ample category, and because there are so many vaguely predictive claims in the Qur'an (or for that matter, in the Bible) it is quite unreasonable to take them all seriously.

The end result is that people learn to gloss over most or all of them just to keep reading with some semblance of seriousness.

With such reduced expectations and so much text to pick and choose from it sometimes happens that someone will conclude that there are actual predictions/prophecies in the text. As one would expect, they routinely turn out to be very unconvincing.


All things considered, it is a bit sad that the attempt to raise the predictive powers of the Bible or of the Qur'an is even made.

And do you think the creation of Israel was a stroke of luck or not a clear prophecy?

 

[LuisDantas]

And do you think the creation of Israel was a stroke of luck or not a clear prophecy?

If I had to choose between the two? Luck.

But really, it is not like zionism had not been trying hard for at least a few decades, so "persistence" might be a better fitting third option.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If I told you that the American Indians will take over the USA in the future,
will you believe it?

Nope. But look on the bright side. If they do, some nimrod will find this post and hail you as a prophet.

 

[interminable]

Oh, that is very easy to do.

The God of the Qur'an is described in such terms that he must be either non-existent or the supreme reference for all virtues.

Yet it is also inimical to homosexuality, which does not make sense.

It also disapproves of atheism, in violent terms no less. That means that he is either cruel or insane, which would contradict his quality of being supremely virtuous.

He also approves of Qur'anic ethics, which are based on tribal mentality. Which is to say, they need to define themselves in relation to some form of external enemy. As ethics go, those became obsolete a couple of millennia ago at least.

And then there is the self-imposed limitation of the presumed eternal validity of the revelation of the Qur'an. We are expected to accept that God is both supremely wise and satisfied with the prescriptions of the Qur'an for all of human time until extinction, despite it clearly being deeply flawed (in the ethical sense at the very least) for any given time in the last 1000 years or so, as well as for any conceivable future before a cataclysmic event.

So there you have it. The god of the Qur'an does not exist except in the faith of Muslims. We know that because he can't exist as the being of supreme power and virtue that he is described as being yet insist on having so many and so obvious flaws.

Since Quran isn't a book related to physics or chemistry it will never be obsolete. Our passions and desires and egoism have kept ourselves in our souls although its shape and form maybe is different.

And being against homosexuality makes sense when consider them ill. They just are sick and need to visit a doctor.
I've heard some people in west eat and drink their sexual partners' excrement and urine
I think these are ill too although maybe u think they have the right to do whatever they want.

 

[LuisDantas]

Since Quran isn't a book related to physics or chemistry it will never be obsolete.

I beg to differ.

Its subject matter is mainly anthropology, and it turns out that its contents have indeed become obsolete for quite a while now.

Our passions and desires and egoism have kept ourselves in our souls although its shape and form maybe is different.

And being against homosexuality makes sense when consider them ill. They just are sick and need to visit a doctor.
I've heard some people in west eat and drink their sexual partners' excrement and urine
I think these are ill too although maybe u think they have the right to do whatever they want.

Sorry, you are entirely wrong, simple as that.