Are babies atheist?

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

According to your statement atheist=atheism. This is not true. You are wrong. Cheers.

LOL what?

 

[Curious George]

LOL what?

Are you just screwing with me, or do you not understand?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Are you just screwing with me, or do you not understand?

Atheist is the person that lacks belief in a deity

Atheism is the state of not believing in a deity.

How
A) are they the same thing? and
B)do you figure I 'am saying' they are the same thing?.

You trollin?

 

[Curious George]

Atheist is the person that lacks belief in a deity

Atheism is the state of not believing in a deity.

How
A) are they the same thing? and
B)do you figure I 'am saying' they are the same thing?.

You trollin?

Because a means without, therefore atheist=without theism, skips a whole lot of steps. A-theism would mean without theism. Athiest would not mean without theism (if we read the word prefix meaning + root=definition).

So if Atheist means exactly the same as Atheism, you are sayimg they are equal.

 

[Thief]

a rock is without belief in God
and trees
and dogs.....

the lack of thought seems to be atheistic

 

[MonkeyFire]

Babies love.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Because a means without, therefore atheist=without theism,

No the 'ist' refers to the subject. Atheist doesn't mean without theism, that's what atheism means. Atheist means ONE who is without theism.

skips a whole lot of steps.

What steps? This is basic etymology.

A-theism would mean without theism. Athiest would not mean without theism (if we read the word prefix meaning + root=definition).

That's a problem you created as you seem to be struggling with the difference between the suffixes 'ist' and 'ism'. It isn't reflective of anything beyond that.

So if Atheist means exactly the same as Atheism, you are sayimg they are equal.

No, this has been explained to you.

I feel as though I am speaking with a small child. I suggest brushing up on both your grammar and logic(ie a beginner course in each) before you waste anyone else's time with this.

Good day.

 

[leibowde84]

I just think it more accurate to define atheists in terms of disbelieving or lacking belief in God or gods. Defining them in terms of theists isn't supported by either dictionary or common use.

To "lack" means to "be without". To "lack belief in God or gods" means that you are without a belief in God or gods. The definition of "atheism" is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Thus, it includes those who disbelieve and those who are without belief in the existence of God or gods. So, the dictionary definition is aligned with what I'm saying.

The OP is a semantic issue, but it is technically true that everyone, including babies, who are without a belief in God or gods are atheists.

 

[leibowde84]

According to your statement atheist=atheism. This is not true. You are wrong. Cheers.

Not true. His statement merely shows that atheism is the absence of theism. Obviously, any person who atheism applies to is an atheist.

 

[leibowde84]

Ahh see you did need to do all that like I said. Now, are you aware that this logic disconnects from how the words arose?

The term has evolved quite a bit since then. "Atheism", like "theism" is an extremely general term. There are different varieties of atheists just as there are different varieties of theists.

 

[leibowde84]

Why does it relate to belief?

It relates to the specific belief in God or gods. A theist is one who holds the belief, an atheist is one who doesn't.

 

[Willamena]

To "lack" means to "be without". To "lack belief in God or gods" means that you are without a belief in God or gods. The definition of "atheism" is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Thus, it includes those who disbelieve and those who are without belief in the existence of God or gods. So, the dictionary definition is aligned with what I'm saying.

The OP is a semantic issue, but it is technically true that everyone, including babies, who are without a belief in God or gods are atheists.

Except that "not a theist" includes rocks, clouds, and blissfully happy cornucopias.

Anyone with two cents of sense about defining things would agree with the dictionary instead of slaving the definition of atheist to another category of person.


The dictionary is precise for a reason.

 

[Curious George]

No the 'ist' refers to the subject. Atheist doesn't mean without theism, that's what atheism means. Atheist means ONE who is without theism.

Your words... maybe you see the logical jump you made now.

What steps? This is basic etymology.

No...no it is not.

That's a problem you created as you seem to be struggling with the difference between the suffixes 'ist' and 'ism'. It isn't reflective of anything beyond that.

No you jumped from one to the other, equated them, and then copied a dictionary. I am not struggling with them at all.

No, this has been explained to you.

Poorly, if that. I am using your words.

I feel as though I am speaking with a small child. I suggest brushing up on both your grammar and logic(ie a beginner course in each) before you waste anyone else's time with this.

Good day.

Ahh, I will take this to mean that you see your error now, raged, and thought you would put together a post with an ad hominem at the end because....reasons.

If you want to continue to use critical thinking skills, I am here.

Cheers

 

[Curious George]

Not true. His statement merely shows that atheism is the absence of theism. Obviously, any person who atheism applies to is an atheist.

Wrong his post suggested that the obvious meaning of atheist is without theism.

I find some people's persistence in this matter to be amusing. Asymmetrical means something lacks symmetry. Apolitical means someone abstains from politics. Asymptomatic means without symptoms.

But atheist, rather than the obvious 'without theism', simply HAS to mean more than that, because......reasons.

Prefix Meaning Example(Greek)
a, an

without, not

asexual, amoral, anarchy, anhydrous, Anabaptist, anachronism

Cheers

 

[Curious George]

The term has evolved quite a bit since then. "Atheism", like "theism" is an extremely general term. There are different varieties of atheists just as there are different varieties of theists.

Off topic. The question is, do you realize the that your process of defining theism, then defining atheism as contrary to that, then defining atheist in relation to atheism is disconnected from the etymology?

 

[Curious George]

It relates to the specific belief in God or gods. A theist is one who holds the belief, an atheist is one who doesn't.

That does not answer my question. Why are you choosing to have the a- relate to belief? I want you distinguish that. Show me the logic that leads to such a conclusion.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Your words... maybe you see the logical jump you made now.


No...no it is not.

No you jumped from one to the other, equated them, and then copied a dictionary. I am not struggling with them at all.

Poorly, if that. I am using your words.

Ahh, I will take this to mean that you see your error now, raged, and thought you would put together a post with an ad hominem at the end because....reasons.

If you want to continue to use critical thinking skills, I am here.

Cheers

Well, I'm done with your nonsense. If you ever get around to being coherent, I'll be around.

 

[Curious George]

Well, I'm done with your nonsense. If you ever get around to being coherent, I'll be around.

It is ok, ledbowde is on it. If you are coming from the same track as him, you can just watch with popcorn.

If you get curious about your non sequitur you can go back amd reread your posts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

It is ok, ledbowde is on it. If you are coming from the same track as him, you can just watch with popcorn.

If you get curious about your non sequitur you can go back amd reread your posts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I do wonder what the inside of your head must be like. I mean, you write well enough...but your comprehension level..lol.

 

[Curious George]

I do wonder what the inside of your head must be like. I mean, you write well enough...but your comprehension level..lol.

Lol, are we to engage in ad hom banter now. You can probably best me there, you are quite witty. So, I will humbly admit defeat in that contest.

Cheers