Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[oldbadger]

Who is 'promoting' any prophecies? Not me.

I fully agree. Their courage and valor and bravery has me in tears every time I listen to the news.
The whole world has a lot to learn from them.

Yes...... true.
Thank you for that, Trailblazer.....

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Also know?
I don't think that Bahauallah knew diddly, Tony.

In my opinion:-
His policy today about Ukraine could well be..... 'let's not take part in protecting'
His policy about WWII could have been ''let's not take part in protecting'
His policy about WWI could have been ''let's not take part in protecting'

Most of us are thinking about the Ukrainian people at this time, not your prophet.

It is you that replied to this OP OB.

Baha'u'llah offered the solutions that would mean Ukraine would not have to face the unjust actions of tyrants, nor would anyone in this world.

What about all the other conflicts OB, personally My heart is with them all.

Also my heart is with the Russians that are protesting in their own country, they are also facing great danger.

My wife has friends in Ukraine OB, who do Blythe Dolls, and is in contact with them.

Regards Tony

 

[oldbadger]

It is you that replied to this OP OB.
Regards Tony

Yes.
I'm replying to the suggestion that Bahauallah's prophecies might be coming true.

Guess what I think?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes.
I'm replying to the suggestion that Bahauallah's prophecies might be coming true.

Guess what I think?

Stay safe, stay well. May life remain good for you OB.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

They have some substance, though not very specific. If any of the prophecies are proven untrue, then we have to conclude that Baha'u'llah doesn't have the power of prophecies. Conversely if you can't do that you have to consider the possibility that He can prophesize, and investigate further to see of He is a Prophet.

What to investigate? Prophecies by their nature are false or farce. The only thing that can be investigated is whether the so-called prophet was a charlatan or mentally disturbed.

 

[ppp]

Conversely if you can't do that you have to consider the possibility that He can prophesize

What possibility? Are you under the impression that just because someone says something that the thing that they say is a possibility?

 

[F1fan]

They have some substance, though not very specific. If any of the prophecies are proven untrue, then we have to conclude that Baha'u'llah doesn't have the power of prophecies. Conversely if you can't do that you have to consider the possibility that He can prophesize, and investigate further to see of He is a Prophet.

If someone claims to be a prophet, and they are getting messages from God, and followers look to this person for prophesy, then the prophesy had better be exceptional and with so much detail that it in improbable of being just guesswork. We just don't see this.

The followers do, but of course they are eager to find their allegiance is valid and surely are not looking at these texts objectively. I see very liberal interpretations that could apply to most any age and time. When prophesy impresses critical thinkers then you have a legitimate prophet.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What possibility? Are you under the impression that just because someone says something that the thing that they say is a possibility?

I think what @Truthseeker means is, no matter how impossible it may seem that someone could have knowledge of future, but to rule out this possibility without a fair investigation is not logical. Specially when many people are saying they can see He had knowledge of future.

 

[KWED]

No.
Next!

 

[KWED]

The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead.

No it isn't. It's the same old same old.

 

[KWED]

When have we ever had a world commonwealth or a democratically elected world government based on principles of equity and justice?

Never.
And we don't have one now.
And it is not something to expect any time soon.

 

[KWED]

That is not prophecy. That is stating a known material phenomenon.

No it isn't. It is predicting a future event that has yet to occur. If it happens, it is accurately predicting the future. Therefore accurately predicting the future is nothing miraculous.
QED.

 

[KWED]

There are many.

Cue, the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

 

[KWED]

there has never been a new world order like the one that was envisioned by Baha'u'llah. The world has always changed but it has never been the way Baha'u'llah envisioned it will be.

So you admit that he has always been wrong.

 

[KWED]

Under that definition, everybody is a prophet.

"And there will come a time when those who once enjoyed great power will find themselves without influence, and a new leader will rise from an unexpected place. There will be disbelief and anguish amongst some but great rejoicing with others. But not all leaders will endure. Forgotten events will surprise them and hubris will be rewarded with shame."

If this ever comes to pass, I fully expect to have people idolising me, kissing my photo, etc. Ideally there will be stalls selling little figurines of me outside the place I was born. And candles. I must have candles!

 

[ppp]

I think what @Truthseeker means is, no matter how impossible it may seem that someone could have knowledge of future, but to rule out this possibility without a fair investigation is not logical. Specially when many people are saying they can see He had knowledge of future.

In what way is ruling it out not fair? Humans have a 10,000+ year history of claims of divination. In most cases, as with this one, "many people" were saying that the divination was true. And from that 10,000+ year history, we have zero confirmations of any of those claims being prophecy. Baha'i is just one more point in that long, long line of unconfirmed and unevidenced claims. And it is not even the latest one - by any stretch.

At this point I think that it is entirely fair to dismiss the entire class of divination claims unless and until someone brings something significantly more credible and more rigorous than just what many people say.

Is it unfair to dismiss the efficacity of either of alchemy or blood sacrifice? They have the same track record as divination.

 

[KWED]

No, new world order does not mean a change in the main political powers in control. It means what is described below, a world commonwealth, a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)

Well, it's a resounding "no" then, because such a new world order is not going to happen any time soon, and quite likely not ever.

 

[ppp]

"And there will come a time when those who once enjoyed great power will find themselves without influence, and a new leader will rise from an unexpected place. There will be disbelief and anguish amongst some but great rejoicing with others. But not all leaders will endure. Forgotten events will surprise them and hubris will be rewarded with shame."

If this ever comes to pass, I fully expect to have people idolising me, kissing my photo, etc. Ideally there will be stalls selling little figurines of me outside the place I was born. And candles. I must have candles!

I would want topless people in their 20's to deliver cocktails to me on my beachfront gazebo until I weight 400 lbs.. And then when I die of an appalled liver, I want them to sprinkle my ashes across salad bars nationwide.

 

[KWED]

The events either occurred or not. It s as simple as that.
it was simply being offered as a warning to Kaiser Wilhelm I.

“O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore,

Well, Bahaullah was clearly wrong as there were no battles on the Rhine in WW1

 

[KWED]

I would want topless people in their 20's to deliver cocktails to me on my beachfront gazebo until I weight 400 lbs.. And then when I die of an appalled liver, I want them to sprinkle my ashes across salad bars nationwide.

One of my favourite quotes...
"If I could have my ashes sprinkled anywhere, I would have them sprinkled in Piers Morgan's eyes" - Sean Lock