Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[rational experiences]

Life any human born is first an innocent baby.

All of us.

Right at that moment each of us personally owns the moment to tell our truth or to lie by indoctrination.

I nearly died is my owned babies memory.

I was sick suffered fallout caused dreams as bio physical chemical changes as a child like my family advice shared said....we had the same body changes same feelings.

Only as adults had we realised.

Ground testings nuclear period.

Hitler a historic human idiot owning brain defected by men's DNA history in his country history with war mongering.

Memories how they affect the current life and mind owner. Beliefs. Visionary. Personal conscious beliefs.

I owned my life equally to any other human being.

An ability to tell a humans truth

So we get preached at and to. You human came from somewhere else first.

Yet my baby liFe says my human parents human had by sex produced my baby human life.

When I was about ten years old my dream showed my mothers head on a rocket blasting off so I vomited.

Science told me in that moment they were changing earths heavenly gases.

DNA mother's life was leaving.

Religion preached father's life was leaving as he sacrificed it by technology nuclear.

So I asked angrily. Okay spirit if we had come from somewhere else prove it. I gained the quiet voice male that said I had to live a humans spiritual life to have it proven.

So I did.

It was proven. Science machine theists are the only humans who don't believe. Coming from somewhere else is a thought of a man inside of a machine.

So I ask him how come your thoughts put your human life inside the body of a machine. Claiming it had come from out of space.

My memory direct to my human holy father is reality.

His answer I am the star metal that burnt clouds that fell out of the sky burning gases that created the life conscious that I express.

Theist of nuclear destruction.

Oh you mean the destroyer human who is like any man but your consciousness destroys us by machine invention status?

That liar!!??

Your answers prove by its evil connotations it expresses man's self destructive evil wisdoms.

Why to teach correctly spiritual minds truths you can't use science or man's chosen wars.

As we didn't come from out of space.

The human argument is human present versus self human personality disorder first.

If I know I can't prove I came direct from eternal spirit into heavens at ground walking our first human being inheritance but I can only argue human arguments.

I never preached that I knew the eternal. Men however had. Is part of your own theists mistake. To claim you know.

Yet he says I preach confessing I never knew.

A self contradiction.

Female human observer of you tells a variant story to try to save you from yourself.

 

[CG Didymus]

America is also learning many good lessons for the future.

Regards Tony

Yeah, one of them is the problem of letting just anybody vote. Some people are easily swayed. Some people don't know enough to make a good decision. Like with Baha'i votes. How many times does the incumbent get voted in to represent a district? How many times do the incumbents get voted to serve on an NSA or the UHJ? If that's happening, that's a problem. Are they really that good that no one else should replace them? Or is it because no one else can get enough votes to replace them? But I don't know. Maybe Baha'i elections are the greatest and fairest thing ever.

 

[CG Didymus]

Imo they've even got that wrong.
It's almost as if during every catastrophe these theistic religions come out of the woodwork to tell us that 'See?!! Our God foretold all this! This proves our God!'
I just perceive that the idea of a God that was particularly interested in a very recent race living on a tiny planet in a minor solar system amongst billions in a small galaxy amongst billions .......is ridiculous.

Yeah, I wonder how many times people thought Jesus was going to return at any minute.

 

[ppp]

I envision a world order ruled over by giant, malevolent hamsters who farm humans for their thought energy.

By your argument, I am right until this prediction is proved to have never happened.

I adore that image. I want a painting to go over my fireplace.

I am reading an sf series where a species that looks like giant hamsters temporarily took over earth. It is hilarious.

 

[CG Didymus]

You are missing the point. We are not mocking god because there is no god. We are mocking the idea that there is a god, and the irrational claims people make about it. (Note: not mocking religionists because they have mostly been indoctrinated from infancy, and a few experienced some kind of trauma or psychotic episode, so it isn't really their fault that they believe such nonsense)

That was a very profound prophecy you made. It's so typical... people just don't believe.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

To say that nobody was or is thinking about God is a gross exaggeration.

Ark, means Religion of God, or Faith, that was made by the Noah, through instructions from God. Those who entered the Faith (Ark) were saved, which could mean they were miraculously saved from Calamity.
Anyways you asked me, in Bible where it says after Christ returns there will be Calamity, and I showed you where.
Upto you what to make out of it.

Another place where Bible alludes to the calamity is the expression "Abomination of desolation".
This expression means destruction, which is an allusion to the Clamity to come at End Time.

And let's take a look at the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy...

Daniel 8:9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”​

This horn took away the daily sacrifice. Who was this horn and when did he take away the sacrifice? Why not start counting the 2300 morning and evenings from then? That's what fits the context. But no, Baha'is and William Miller decided to start counting the 2300 mornings and evenings from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in 457BC. Why? It has nothing to do with taking away the daily sacrifice. Then the 2300 evenings and mornings are made into years and lo and behold they come to the year 1844. That's amazing. But I don't agree with where Baha'is start counting.

So, is it alright to manipulate prophecies in order to arrive at the desired year? Is it alright to ignore the context and only take the part you can use to your benefit? Or is that all part of "decoding"? I don't think it is. So, yes, I reject the Baha'i interpretation of several Bible prophecies.

The vision that describes the End is from verse 13. Before this verse are the events long before the End time. I remember part of this vision is about Alexander the great.
The verse does not tell us clearly this is 2300 years counting from 457BC. It says 2300 days. In our view it is not meant to be explicit, but rather these are signs. You are free to accept or reject.

 

[rational experiences]

Yeah, I wonder how many times people thought Jesus was going to return at any minute.

As a human woman's life sacrificed DNA gas burnt. I saw whilst sitting inside ....outside gases burning wisping as brown or black smoke.

Cooled. Images of men clothed in the era wearing Elizabethan clothing manifested in the cooling. Floated above ground then disappeared.

The dead of man arose walking. Old life records of humans whose era depicted the message given by gas the spirit.

A one of attack. I survived. Survived to give men wielding technology as heavens weapons against biology their last chance.

Unlike a one of event...an event owning lots of humans seeing Jesus are become Jesus unlike my experience you won't survive.

As the gases to be burnt as burnt out spirit of evil...
to get a man of his era wearing clothes is a huge gas mass gone. Plus you won't own heavenly cooling like I had to save you.

One of attack versus a human by machine forced held mass constant.

The void vacuum won the test and the field. The day the music died is when the marching band refuses to yield. ....do you recall what was revealed the day the music died brothers?

 

[CG Didymus]

The Republicans are certainly engineering electoral change that could effectively end democracy in the US by making a Democrat win pretty much impossible.

And it just shows how little truth, or actually a big lie, can be made to be believed as The Truth. Religions can do the same thing. Make a "truth" claim. Say their guy is a prophet of God. Find a few Bible prophecies that he fulfilled, and a new religious movement is born.

Mirzā Ghulām Ahmad claimed to be the promised one. Baha'is believe he is a phony. Yet, he has a bigger following? But if he's for real then Baha'u'llah is a phony. So, either way, a lot of people are believing a fake religious movement. And, I wonder, if he made a few prophetic statements... and if any came true?

 

[Trailblazer]

So you started a thread about whether we think the prophecies are coming true, but you don't want us to give our opinions on whether the prophecies are coming true.

I did want peoples' opinions as to whether the prophecies are coming true. That is why I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

You completely miss the fact that the prophecies can only come true if they are valid prophecies to begin with.

You completely miss the fact that if the prophecies are coming true that means they are valid prophecies.

A prophecy was either fulfilled or not. The old world order is either being rolled up or not. This is a yes/no question. We cannot know if a new world order is rising to replace the old world order yet because the new world order has not risen yet.

Again, we must establish that they are valid prophecies before we can ask if the prophecies are coming true.

What do you mean by valid? Do you mean it has to meet your criteria? Is your criteria being used for determining if the person who wrote the prophecy was really a Prophet?

Let's look at this list.

1. The prophecy must not be about something that is likely to happen anyway.

• Nobody can know what is likely to happen anyway, that is just a matter of opinion, but in my opinion in the later half of the 19th century when Baha'u'llah wrote the prophecies the old world order being rolled up and a new world order rising was not likely to happen anyway.

2. Where we have verified that the prophecy was written prior to the event that fulfilled it.

• The prophecies meet this criteria, since they were written in the latter half of the 19th century.

3. Where we have verified that the event that fulfilled it really took place in a way that fulfilled the prophecy.

• That is what is in question. Is the old world order being rolled up? Baha'u'llah said that a new world order would be spread out to replace the old world order but He did not say when that would happen and it has not happened yet, so we cannot verify the second half of the prophecy at this time.

4. The the fulfilling event was not done by someone simply to make the prophecy come true.

• Well, that would be impossible because Baha'u'llah could not make the old world order fall apart nor could He make a new world order rise in its stead. These two events are caused by those who hold positions of political power.

5. The prophecy is specific and is not open to interpretation.

• All prophecies are open to interpretation because they are being read by humans who interpret them to mean different things. All we are going to have are personal opinions. Many people believe that the old world order is being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead, but there might be other people who believe that is not happening, and that this war in the Ukraine is just more of the same, and everything will go back to the way it was after it is over. However, most of the experts who comment in history and politics agree that things all over the world have been changing for some time, even before this war, and that things will never be the same after this is all over. Moreover, things are happening that are unprecedented; the NATO countries coming together in unity is an example.

Incidentally, this unity was also prophesied by Baha'u'lllah. Please note that century means age, as translated from Persian.

“This is the stage which the world is now approaching, the stage of world unity, which, as ‘Abdu’l-Bahá assures us, will, in this century, be securely established. “The Tongue of Grandeur,” Bahá’u’lláh Himself affirms, “hath … in the Day of His Manifestation proclaimed: ‘It is not his to boast who loveth his country, but it is his who loveth the world.’” “Through the power,” He adds, “released by these exalted words He hath lent a fresh impulse, and set a new direction, to the birds of men’s hearts, and hath obliterated every trace of restriction and limitation from God’s Holy Book.” The Promised Day Is Come, p. 121

 

[F1fan]

In the long run CG, one has to decide if they should mock God, or submit to God.

Regards Tony

But no Gods come forth to humans to submit to. Even you Baha'i admit you are only guessing a god exists because you are impressed (for bad reasons) that messengers are authentic. So you could be dead wrong, and what are you actually submitting to? Your thinking assumes too much for it to be arguable, especially against critical thinkers. You guys bite off way too much and can't back it up.

 

[CG Didymus]

Live in peace and brotherhood as one people on one planet.

Serve each other, help each other, Love all people, free of all predudices.

Obey the laws of God, Prayer, Fast and bring ourselves to account each day.

Every day, strive to be a better person.

Regards Tony

And what do you do with the people that don't follow God and his rules?

 

[CG Didymus]

Some one is missing the point. Mocking is not a virtue.

Regards Tony

Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal. Oh, but I forgot. Baha'is don't necessarily believe those stories literally happened. Which is... kind of mocking the beliefs of some Jews and Christians.

 

[rational experiences]

I adore that image. I want a painting to go over my fireplace.

I am reading an sf series where a species that looks like giant hamsters temporarily took over earth. It is hilarious.

You both mean I am a coder who is using words by human thoughts only plus biology as a humans thesis anything they aren't....are trying to code theories and lie non stop. Claiming I know all things by word use. I know by visions. Data.

Whilst bio organic life is living by sex conditions only.

Yet own the quote..no O earth mass is zero position.....zero owns both hot radiating mass and cold mass. Together in one body only.

Zero says hence you can't change anything.

Want of science by machine said my man who says numbers are inside the mass. I want to abstract mass by numbers.

So used words to describe how numbers could abstract mass. Says a HAM. About Abraham is coding.

Visions in human life said once men agreed to use the advice a first the end finished cooled once evil blasting a reaction advice. Take away its cooling position themselves.

Removed it from its stated natural end then put biologies life into the reaction itself.

Which was occurring in the vision to natural mass earth and natural heavens earth. No life even existed then.

That's right says theists water owning Living biology entered an opened unsealed fused nuclear reacting stone dust moment earth God. The dusts.

Evil in collective consciousness humans who claim a machines reaction brought out of a past reapplied in the present life is safe.

Lying every moment of theorising.

Holy dusts cold already as mass separated a very long time before existed in the same moment a mass of it wasn't.

Isn't what you claim is intelligent advice.

 

[CG Didymus]

Ark, means Religion of God, or Faith, that was made by the Noah, through instructions from God. Those who entered the Faith (Ark) were saved, which could mean they were miraculously saved from Calamity.
Anyways you asked me, in Bible where it says after Christ returns there will be Calamity, and I showed you where.
Upto you what to make out of it.

Okay, things are bad when he comes, but in Revelation he gets rid of the evil people and establishes God's kingdom. And he doesn't get thrown in jail and die.

Revelation 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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Then he reigns for 1000 years and for some reason Satan is let loose again only to be destroyed along with all people whose name is not written in the Book of Life. Nowhere, is this person rejected and thrown in jail.

 

[CG Didymus]

But no Gods come forth to humans to submit to. Even you Baha'i admit you are only guessing a god exists because you are impressed (for bad reasons) that messengers are authentic. So you could be dead wrong, and what are you actually submitting to? Your thinking assumes too much for it to be arguable, especially against critical thinkers. You guys bite off way too much and can't back it up.

The Baha'i God is a little strange. He sends prophet after prophet that gets rejected. And then blames people for not accepting him. Then puts the people of the world through a bunch of trials and tribulations until they submit to him. Nice guy. And supposedly there is no coercion? And that stuff about free will? Yeah, thanks God, you gave me a brain to think for myself and now you're going to punish me for thinking for myself.

Then God's laws... When has anybody, and that's the people in the religion, ever been able to live by those laws? These Abrahamic, law-based religions with their wrathful God can be very scary. And when any one of them has gotten power, they always abuse it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, before 1844, all people in the world should submit to the teachings of the Quran? Or was there problem with Islam? Then before Islam, all people should have submitted themselves to the teachings of Jesus? No, for sure we all know that Christianity was corrupt. So, why now? Why should anyone trust any religion, completely, blindly? Isn't it good to question it and make sure it is the truth? Of course, it is. And that is what lots of people are doing here, but it is the believers that can't answer the hard questions. All the believers have is their trust and faith that their religion is the right one and is speaking the truth. And they all have a variation of the truth. So, which one? Your answer is obvious, the Baha'i Faith. Great, but some of us are finding issues with it.

I see that is the quandary God has offered us with faith in the God given Messengers. They are questions we must ask ourselves.

Is it really as hard as you offer? Maybe it is not, maybe it is about our choices in Virtue and Morals and implementing them in our lives.

I hope it all works out for you CG, Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, things are bad when he comes, but in Revelation he gets rid of the evil people and establishes God's kingdom. And he doesn't get thrown in jail and die.

Revelation 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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Then he reigns for 1000 years and for some reason Satan is let loose again only to be destroyed along with all people whose name is not written in the Book of Life. Nowhere, is this person rejected and thrown in jail.

I thought the OP was about the Prophecies of Baha’u’llah (Baha'i Faith), asking if they were coming true?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And what do you do with the people that don't follow God and his rules?

That is up to the laws of the land CG.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal. Oh, but I forgot. Baha'is don't necessarily believe those stories literally happened. Which is... kind of mocking the beliefs of some Jews and Christians.

One can choose to consider it, however they wish to CG, Regards Tony.

 

[F1fan]

I thought the OP was about the Prophecies of Baha’u’llah (Baha'i Faith), asking if they were coming true?

Regards Tony

Well there are so many difference religious prophesies that can be compared to Baha'i. It's amazing they don't match. Don't you think it would be excellent if religious books all through time had similar prophesies?