Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[Tiberius]

and they never will.... not even the Messengers will ever see God, they only hear His Voice.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

You don't know the Bible very well, do you?

Moses saw God face-to-face upon an unknown mountain sometime after he spoke to the Lord in the burning bush but before he went to free the children of Israel from Egypt (see Moses 1:1–2, 17, 25–26, 42; see also Exodus 3:1–10).

Maybe if you actually researched it for yourself as you've so often told others to do regarding Bahai, you wouldn't make such embarrassing mistakes.

 

[F1fan]

Baha'is know that God exists because of Baha'u'llah. I cannot speak for other religious believers.
Who would ever want to see God? Certainly not me. I am glad that God remains hidden.

You can't base knowledge of a God on rumors. It's hearsay. You don't actually know.

You have reason to doubt but not everyone does.

Yes, many people are "wired for God" and can'r help but believe is some sort of God that is attractive to them. That you may not doubt is because you have no alternative if your doubt is sufficient for you to reject the idea of God you've decided is true. Theists tend not to have a secondary God in case their primary God is found to be a dubious claim after objective assessment. Theists don't subject the Gods they believe exist to scrutiny like critical thinkers do.

Of course I've explained this to you numerous times. But you prefer your little bubble of belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

You don't know the Bible very well, do you?

Moses saw God face-to-face upon an unknown mountain sometime after he spoke to the Lord in the burning bush but before he went to free the children of Israel from Egypt (see Moses 1:1–2, 17, 25–26, 42; see also Exodus 3:1–10).

Maybe if you actually researched it for yourself as you've so often told others to do regarding Bahai, you wouldn't make such embarrassing mistakes.

Moses never saw God.
The Christians know this based on scripture.
Has Anyone Ever Seen God?

You are the one who should be embarrassed.

 

[Trailblazer]

Of course, this means that we can take any vague claim, then pick some event, interpret the claim in a way that describes the event, and then say that the claim is a valid prophecy.

It's a valid prophecy if the person making it was getting their information from some divine source telling them about the future.

If a Prophet makes a prophecy and that prophecy is fulfilled by an event that matches the prophecy that means the Prophet was accurate in what He predicted.

Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human sees they claim I saw was looking up. At the mountain.

Gods angel image of man descended over the mountains face in clouds.

Whilst the temple on the mount using gold melt technologies pyramid underground Alchemy inherited melt himself

Blew up temple.

The sin scorched Mt sin AI. It's ∆ peak face black.

You named it so you theist liar couldn't lie about causes.

Innocent man theist theories converting Fu Sion. Wasn't really innocent the A theist. A humans teaching to humans.

A theist confess of Sion God states taught me how to do conversion.

His man's.... a theists confession. Obsession.

Today you claim man was innocent of God. You however sought gods powers lied.

Therefore if you kept getting life changed it is because it was your man's fault.

First theist thought as one man I'm more intelligent than any other man. Same type of message gained since.

I gained a man's angelic feedback as man's life DNA is nearly gone.

I wasn't egotistical about it as I didn't cause it in the first place.

 

[Tiberius]

You don't know the Bible very well, do you?

Moses saw God face-to-face upon an unknown mountain sometime after he spoke to the Lord in the burning bush but before he went to free the children of Israel from Egypt (see Moses 1:1–2, 17, 25–26, 42; see also Exodus 3:1–10).

Maybe if you actually researched it for yourself as you've so often told others to do regarding Bahai, you wouldn't make such embarrassing mistakes.

@Trailblazer I noticed you gave an "optimistic" reaction to this post, yet you have not commented on it. Do you withdraw your claim that no one has seen God? Or are the passages cited examples of the bits of the Bible you decide must be wrong because they disagree with your beliefs?

 

[rational experiences]

Review the theist scientist cult machines occult scientists.

A human only.

Thinks. Says I think about earth. Body Rock. Dusts. No gas.

Gas advice...it came out of the planet.

Is not gods O earth rock dusts.

First position lying man thinking.

Learnt from the gas in heavens how he could convert dusts to get a gas.

God taught him. In the heavens. Heavens god is the teacher he said. He told you how he learnt science.

His theists human confession.

Now the state recording was by cold sun attack on cold mass. How the state was created.

Image vision. Gas nothing at all to do with humans. State recording transmitting nothing to do with humans.

Space empty. Extremely cold. Pressure owned waters mass. Those states nowhere near human biology lying atheist. Evil minded nasty minded humans who purposely lie. Human behaviour.

Illegal he said as a Human to lie by reason lying is dangerous.

Our life water taken to cool a gas burning attack men of science caused. Natural humans learnt about how image of biology caused became reviewed life involved in an attack.

Science wants by thesis a state a complete history cold sun and cold bodies inherited itself. We have nothing at all to do with transmitting machine states AI.

Even a dimwit should realise a machine identity transmitting cause receipt is not any type of alien being image or any type life human like presence.

The machine body type is placated as position body type AI body itself.

 

[Tiberius]

If a Prophet makes a prophecy and that prophecy is fulfilled by an event that matches the prophecy that means the Prophet was accurate in what He predicted.

Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

You miss the point. If the prophecy is so vague that many different things can be interpreted as fullfilling it, then why should it count?

If the prophecy said something like, "The twins shall come into conflict," then any number of things could be taken as interpreting it.

• America and the USSR in the Cold War, since both countries could be seen as twins as they were the two most powerful nations in the world at the time.
• Two cars of the same make, model, and colour colliding at an intersection.
• Siblings who are literally twins having an argument.
• A tree falling in a storm and as it falls it knocks down the only other tree of that species nearby.

That's the trouble with vague and figurative language. Since you can never be sure exactly what it means, you can never be sure if the event you think fulfills it was actually what the writer of the prophecy had envisaged.

So you're going to need something more specific than vague claims about a New World Order. I noticed that you decided to ignore the rest of MY POST. I don't understand why you did this, seeing as that I pointed out how this prophecy of a New World Order could has been claimed to be coming with many other events in the past.

 

[CG Didymus]

I thought the OP was about the Prophecies of Baha’u’llah (Baha'i Faith), asking if they were coming true?

Regards Tony

It's kind of meaningless if he hasn't fulfilled the prophecies about the return of Christ. Lots of cult leaders made predictions too. All they'd have to say is, "Look around you. The world is crumbling. But he has given me a message. A message of hope. We will be the ones to repopulate the Earth..." He gets them under his spell with promises of heavenly rewards. Like saying, "Believe on me and my Father in heaven will shower his blessings on you."

 

[CG Didymus]

Live in peace and brotherhood as one people on one planet.

Serve each other, help each other, Love all people, free of all predudices.

Obey the laws of God, Prayer, Fast and bring ourselves to account each day.

Every day, strive to be a better person.

That is up to the laws of the land

That post says, "God's" laws. I thought Christ was coming to establish God's kingdom with God's laws in place?

If not, then why would the laws of any land care if a person obeyed the laws of some religion?

 

[CG Didymus]

One can choose to consider it, however they wish to CG, Regards Tony.

And how do you consider it? Was it right for Elijah to mock the prophets of Baal?

 

[CG Didymus]

Well there are so many difference religious prophesies that can be compared to Baha'i. It's amazing they don't match. Don't you think it would be excellent if religious books all through time had similar prophesies?

If there was only one God, and all messengers were sent by him, you'd think there'd be a lot more similarities between the different religions. But there isn't. And that's why it seems like people made up their own religions and their own Gods.

 

[CG Didymus]

I see they all have offered the promise of an age like the one we now live in, Baha'u'llah has given them further clarity.

Regards Tony

Okay, that's a good point. What are the different promises from the different religions about this age we're now in?

 

[CG Didymus]

Daniel's prophecies about the 1290 and 1335 days.
In addition, Baha'is have applied the day-year principle to the two prophecies at the end of the last chapter of Daniel concerning the 1,290 days (Dan 12:11) and the 1,335 days (Dan 12:12).[9] The 1,290 days is understood as a reference to the 1,290 years from the open declaration of Muhammad to the open declaration of Bahá’u’lláh. The 1,335 days is understood to be a reference to the firm establishment of Islam in 628 AD to the firm establishment of the Baha'i Faith (the election of its Universal House of Justice) in 1963 AD.My problem with these is that they ignore the part in the verse where is says...
Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.What does the declaration of Muhammad and the establishment of Islam have to do with the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination? Baha'is ignore it or explain it away. It works for them, but to me, it's manipulating the verse to make it mean what Baha'is want it to mean. Right there is enough to make me question the whole of the Baha'i Faith. Sorry, you may be doing many great things. Maybe making the world better, but, to me, this is not fulfilling a prophecy. It is making up a starting time and coming up with a fabricated "fulfillment".

I remember a while ago you talked about this. I explained that in my view, "daily sacrifice is abolished", is an allusion to Revelation of Muhammad, as it abolished Christianity Laws. "Daily sacrifice" is an allusion to Jesus. This is why Jesus is called the Lamb. Lamb is symbol of sacrifice, as Jesus died and was sacrificed for the sins of mankind.
Abolishing daily sacrifice, means, abolishing the Religion of Jesus, and replacing it with the later revelation, revealed through Muhammad. It is clear to me. It may not be acceptable to you, but that's fine with me.

Wow, that's a lot of creative interpreting. Is that the "official" Baha'i interpretation?

 

[CG Didymus]

Everyone has reason to doubt. But some choose not to acknowledge it.

And it's even tougher for those that have already committed themselves to believe in some religion that insists on its followers not to doubt.

 

[CG Didymus]

You don't know the Bible very well, do you?

Moses saw God face-to-face upon an unknown mountain sometime after he spoke to the Lord in the burning bush but before he went to free the children of Israel from Egypt (see Moses 1:1–2, 17, 25–26, 42; see also Exodus 3:1–10).

Maybe if you actually researched it for yourself as you've so often told others to do regarding Bahai, you wouldn't make such embarrassing mistakes.

It's a Baha'i thing. There are certain verses that get used a lot by Baha'is. Not a lot of them, though. Like that verse in John goes on to say something about the word was God and the word became flesh. Not so good a verse for Baha'is to be quoting.

 

[Truthseeker]

What to investigate? Prophecies by their nature are false or farce. The only thing that can be investigated is whether the so-called prophet was a charlatan or mentally disturbed.

What an open mind!

 

[CG Didymus]

You can't base knowledge of a God on rumors. It's hearsay. You don't actually know.


Yes, many people are "wired for God" and can'r help but believe is some sort of God that is attractive to them. That you may not doubt is because you have no alternative if your doubt is sufficient for you to reject the idea of God you've decided is true. Theists tend not to have a secondary God in case their primary God is found to be a dubious claim after objective assessment. Theists don't subject the Gods they believe exist to scrutiny like critical thinkers do.

Of course I've explained this to you numerous times. But you prefer your little bubble of belief.

Yet, Baha'is would expect trinitarians to question and doubt and eventually see the "truth", that Jesus is a manifestation of God, and not God himself. But that's okay, because that's a false belief. And of course, the belief, the Baha'i belief, is true and to be doubted.

 

[Truthseeker]

What possibility? Are you under the impression that just because someone says something that the thing that they say is a possibility?

 

[Truthseeker]

If someone claims to be a prophet, and they are getting messages from God, and followers look to this person for prophesy, then the prophesy had better be exceptional and with so much detail that it in improbable of being just guesswork. We just don't see this.

The followers do, but of course they are eager to find their allegiance is valid and surely are not looking at these texts objectively. I see very liberal interpretations that could apply to most any age and time. When prophesy impresses critical thinkers then you have a legitimate prophet.

You just don't listen, do you?