oldbadger
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Honestly.......... I can't read a page of Bahaullah's without perceiving a sneaky double message.
Anyway, I like wearing waders...on the foreshore....... they keep me dry 'n' warm.
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Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
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Anyway, I like wearing waders...on the foreshore....... they keep me dry 'n' warm.
rational experiences
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True in substance. A human conscious meaning.
One word. Highest word. First word.
Substance means earth O one God what it owned. Planet plus it's heavenly spirits.
God the human theory. Science.
Told by men only. Thought by men only.
Man said by he him his 3....
God told me what God is. By man thinking status.
The eternal he says describes where God had come from. Just words owning no meaning in reality he knows
De ...
the scribe said so.
Meaning pre form to infer first.
By written human scribe words.
A holy father a pre being was in the eternal himself changed upon entering earths ground atmosphere.
Then mother.
Both previous THE same eternal being.
Father said I came out first so my body changed into man human. Mother's human higher a creator type.
Grows newly born baby human life.
Taught.
You both had to have been the exact same spirit first and the conditions a variation one came out first separately before the other had. To be different.
Theist just a human. Once a baby said I wanted to personally go back to being an eternal being. Myself. By a Human thesis.
Left his earthly life by dying early age death life sacrificed by water loss.
Same brother who on purpose theories what his own human brother said he will never know. The eternal just talking description stating unknown.
As a human.
The eternal where we came from.
Ice owner colder and holder of water melted it's mass so bio life was saved. The God spirit saviour ice then water.
His thesis equalled I wanted to die actually by inventing a nothing body of god. By machines causes. Effects.
Man's caused sin hole. Sin K holes.
As earth the mass body is all we walk upon actually his theory didn't work to kill all biology as we live with gas water. A heavens not rock.
The reason. The only reason.
Thesis everytime is direct. When you review his thesis it always owns idea reaction that will blow up your machine. He hence has to format conditions of machine safety to do the applied reaction.
Says our brother who advised the theist he is life's destroyer knowing he is.
Trying to claim bahuallah was a gas mass spirit deity he can thesis about in our heavens. His intent. My machine reaction needs heavenly protection when a heavens is naturally just present.
Earth sits naturally inside heavens how is his machine mass suddenly any different?
Answer because he wants to apply another reaction.
Machine Alchemy changed earth mass one...machine reaction to change earth mass again. Two.
Two X two he says I exited the body of god. DNA was removed when gas burnt fallout attacked life.
Is not creating life is it?
Trailblazer
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My justification is what was revealed by Baha'u'llah and His appointed interpreters and what the UHJ wrote regarding the Bible.
The spiritual truths that are contained in the Bible will always be relevant because they are eternal, but the primary message of the Messengers and the social teachings and laws contained in the Bible are outdated. For example, Jesus was Savior and He already saved us by His cross sacrifice so we do not need to hear that message anymore.
Everything that Baha'u'llah revealed is relevant to the age we live in and will be relevant until the next Messenger of God appears, in no less than 1000 years fro 1852 AD.
Below are some passages that reflect the most essential teaching of the Baha'i Faith, which is the unity of the human race.
“The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men. Suffer it not to become a source of dissension and discord, of hate and enmity. This is the straight Path, the fixed and immovable foundation. Whatsoever is raised on this foundation, the changes and chances of the world can never impair its strength, nor will the revolution of countless centuries undermine its structure.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 215
The basic message of Baha’u’llah was the interconnectedness of all created things and the Unity of Mankind, meaning that we are all part of one whole and that we all proceed from the same Source, God.
“The utterance of God is a lamp, whose light is these words: Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship. He Who is the Day Star of Truth beareth Me witness! So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth. The one true God, He Who knoweth all things, Himself testifieth to the truth of these words.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 288
“It is incumbent upon every man of insight and understanding to strive to translate that which hath been written into reality and action…. That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race. The Great Being saith: Blessed and happy is he that ariseth to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. In another passage He hath proclaimed: It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 250
rational experiences
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Theist said I burn coal got electricity to run power plant.
Power plant gains electricity to power machines now.
A circular thought two gained one of the same electricity.
In the past two machines allowed me to reproduce a melted earth product... gold.
Producing a melt blew up two machines....temple on mount....temple on ground. Two variable transmitters.
It's why radiating dusts transmitters were given water cooling as supposedly you learnt your evil God science lesson before.
When talking nothing and science to remove energy back to nothing also. A sin hole.
Hence you lied claiming but a Spirit body was left after god left. Earths natural atmosphere that life uses.
Lying science brothers. Theists.
Claims you can't remove all energy when he proved he did. As mass is not energy it's mass holding energy.
Power plant gains electricity to power machines now.
A circular thought two gained one of the same electricity.
In the past two machines allowed me to reproduce a melted earth product... gold.
Producing a melt blew up two machines....temple on mount....temple on ground. Two variable transmitters.
It's why radiating dusts transmitters were given water cooling as supposedly you learnt your evil God science lesson before.
When talking nothing and science to remove energy back to nothing also. A sin hole.
Hence you lied claiming but a Spirit body was left after god left. Earths natural atmosphere that life uses.
Lying science brothers. Theists.
Claims you can't remove all energy when he proved he did. As mass is not energy it's mass holding energy.
Tiberius
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It does not seem so.
rational experiences
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In reasoning if science theories I want the saviour of God being ice and heavenly space pressures to be just science machines saving only.
Water floods everywhere is what he believes every nation should inherit.
Seeing Egypt lost their water to increase the desert.
Every other nation got ground flooded.
Australia suffering those floods already.
How many other countries one by one will inherit floods?
Before the ice mass is gone.
Accumulated held ground water not ice itself
As the star brought water also said science. Frozen on it. The dinosaur destruction seems to imply a huge reactive earth change. Star fall first a moon.
Body type saviour as big as a planet.
So earths mass ice star owned water can displace its frozen water itself.
And no scientist can reason water mass earth natural history owner.
As earth dusts lose radiations ice just gets colder but melts in a process of loss.
Deserts can freeze too.
Science would name it an earth pole shift.
Living in a desert watching it rain where you are...water gets returned to where it left. What about places that aren't a desert first?
You know human liars where science was practiced first.
Seems like deserts came to mountains also.
If a mountain temple can't transmit to its temple to be gained on the ground the mountain term.... did you blow it up by striking attacks?
Making Moses the story an after the event scientific confession.
Water floods everywhere is what he believes every nation should inherit.
Seeing Egypt lost their water to increase the desert.
Every other nation got ground flooded.
Australia suffering those floods already.
How many other countries one by one will inherit floods?
Before the ice mass is gone.
Accumulated held ground water not ice itself
As the star brought water also said science. Frozen on it. The dinosaur destruction seems to imply a huge reactive earth change. Star fall first a moon.
Body type saviour as big as a planet.
So earths mass ice star owned water can displace its frozen water itself.
And no scientist can reason water mass earth natural history owner.
As earth dusts lose radiations ice just gets colder but melts in a process of loss.
Deserts can freeze too.
Science would name it an earth pole shift.
Living in a desert watching it rain where you are...water gets returned to where it left. What about places that aren't a desert first?
You know human liars where science was practiced first.
Seems like deserts came to mountains also.
If a mountain temple can't transmit to its temple to be gained on the ground the mountain term.... did you blow it up by striking attacks?
Making Moses the story an after the event scientific confession.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
The claim is not justification for the claim. That's circular logic.
Given that people can only get the benefit from that by accepting Jesus as their lord and saviour, I would say that we DO need to hear that message.
Oh wait, that's one of those bits you have decided doesn't matter, isn't it?
Didn't Jesus also preach this?
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Again, Jesus preached this unity of mankind as well.
John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Hi
yes Jesus prayed for unity, but it was not fulfilled as Christians divided into many sects and denominations. But this was to be fulfilled with Baha'u'llah because Baha'u'llah did not just pray for unity, but He revealed many scriptures how to achieve unity practically. Bahais who followed His teachings could successfully establish unity, as the Baha'i Faith is not divided into sects and denominations. So, this proves, Baha'u'llah fulfilled it.
But God does not force people, so, those who did not follow Baha'u'llah are still divided and still in great wars and conflicts.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Hi,
I dont think One prophecy works, but as i showed in the hypothetical example, there are a set of prophecies that a person makes and are fulfilled by another person, and in turn this new person gives a set of prophecies of another person with events.
If one prophecy was presented, they can say, this is coincidence. Moreover, each prophecy the sayings of Prophets, has terminologies that is also defined in the scriptures, by the prophets, which are not the same definitions as generally understood by ordinary people.
I give you an example what I mean.
Recall the story of Joseph in Old Testament. Part of the story teaches how divine prophecies work:
"The seven lean, ugly cows that came up afterward are seven years, and so are the seven worthless heads of grain scorched by the east wind: They are seven years of famine."
This story tells us, the divine prophecies have symbols. Only if one knows the meaning of symbols, could really know its meaning.
However, ordinary people think of this as inventions and reinterpretation, rather than believing them.
Likewise, recall that, in the old testament scriptures, there was a story about Prophet Johannes, who was in belly of fish. Jesus said only this sign will be shown. Then the fulfilment of it was Jesus died for three days. So, the symbolic meaning of fulfilment of Johannes story, was as Jesus alluded to it.
However, there are explicit prophecies about Bahaullah which was fulfilled exactly as it was said, that does not even require knowing symbols.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Because it takes time to see how prophecies work.
In an early Book, the Bab wrote a Book called, Sahifa-yi 'adliyya (treatise on justice) ,where the Bab decsribes a deam that He saw the Severed head of Prince of Martyrs (Imam Hussein), hanging from a tree. Then in His dream He approached the Tree and drank Seven drops of the Blood which was dripping from his head. He saw this dream in the year 1843 as the Bab said.
Seven years later the Bab was Martyred, in the year 1850.
Likewise Bahaullah wrote in one of His Tablets, some time before His passing that He will pass away in the year 1892. At the time, He was healthy. But in year 1892, Baha'u'llah passed away due to fever.
Even when precise prophecies are made, one can still say, these are coincidence or it did not mean this. But for me works. It does not work for everyone.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Why?
What can't someone in communication with an omniscient, omnipotent god make a prediction in clear terms that matches a specific event some time win the future?
Why do "prophesies" always seem to need an element of faith in their validity?
[quotw]In an early Book, the Bab wrote a Book called, Sahifa-yi 'adliyya (treatise on justice) ,where the Bab decsribes a deam that He saw the Severed head of Prince of Martyrs (Imam Hussein), hanging from a tree. Then in His dream He approached the Tree and drank Seven drops of the Blood which was dripping from his head. He saw this dream in the year 1843 as the Bab said.
Seven years later the Bab was Martyred, in the year 1850.[/quote] Did he state that his dream meant that he would be martyred in seven years time? If not, it is not a prophesy. It is others attaching meaning after the event.
Reference?
Indeed. We know coincidences happen all the time. There is no evidence that people can actually predict the future.
Much like the predictions of the Atom Bomb, there are quite a few passages, but if we gather a few we see how it unfolds.
One passage about the power inherent in the Atom,
"…the light of divine knowledge and heavenly grace hath illumined and inspired the essence of all created things, in such wise that in each and every thing a door of knowledge hath been opened, and within every atom traces of the sun hath been made manifest. –" Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, pp. 29-30.
One passage about what that Power is capable of,
"There has appeared an infernal instrument, and such atrocity is displayed in the destruction of life, the like of which was not seen by the eye of the world, nor heard by the ears of nations. It is impossible to reform these violent, overwhelming evils, except the peoples of the world become united in affairs, or in one religion. Hearken ye unto the voice of this oppressed One, and adhere to the Most Great Peace!
A strange and wonderful instrument exists in the earth; but it is concealed from minds and souls. It is an instrument which has the power to change the atmosphere of the whole earth, and its infection causes destruction." – Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith, p. 183.
And one passage where it is mentioned to Viscount Arakawa, Japan’s Ambassador to Spain:
"Scientific discoveries have greatly increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until Spiritual Civilization, i.e. the Kingdom, shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth." – Abdul'baha Japan Will Turn Ablaze, p. 51.
There are more passages, when looked at as a whole, predict what science subsequently found and then used in humanity.
Regards Tony
Thus is because God allows our free will choices.
The Quran tells us that there in no compulsion in religion. God does not force it upon us, but warns us of the consequences of not embracing the wisdom and laws God has offered.
Regards Tony
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
@KWED
Yes, exactly as Tony said. Because if these prophecies were in such a way that no one could possibly reject, then it means God would force people to accept them. So, He only gives signs, so only if someone is truly investigating the truth, and is willing then accept them.
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InvestigateTruth
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If you search you would be able to find them I think.
But, this is why I presented the hypothetical case.
What I intended to show in that hypothetical example is, when a great number of prophecies, such as year of Birth, places, names, time of death, and many more are fulfilled, could it still be coincidence?
The problem is most people do not look into these completely, and thus, they think this one prophecy is possibly coincidence, or it may not mean that. As you also said.
But if there are too many prophecies like this is fulfilled, even if they are signs, then saying that these are not true prophecies, what could possibly convince these people who do not want to accept something they don't want? I am not saying you are one of them. But I am saying, why should I spend hours and hours to present 100 or 200 prophecies fulfilled, when someone is already made up his mind to reject them?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
As suspected, it is too vague to be called a "prediction of the atom bomb". Apart from the scientific detail (the sun works on nuclear fusion, not fission. Two very different processes), there is nothing remarkable about a "messenger of god" talking about strange and powerful forces, and ordinary men have imagined incredible weapons capable of mass destruction for millennia.
If you want a truly prescient anticipation of atomic weapons, try HG Wells' The World Set Free (1913) where he describes bombs using a huge release of energy from uranium being dropped from aircraft which leave the battlefield radioactive for long periods. No vague metaphors or allegories. All clear and precise language.
There are many books that have compiled all these prophecies, one I know of even gives the Mathematical calculations of the chance of one person fulfilling all those prophecies at a sum of 10 to the power of 56 (From Memory)
@KWED
Regards Tony
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
A ludicrous argument.
God enables messengers to reveal prophesies, but insists that they have to be so vague and tenuous that only people who already believe in those prophesies can actually see them?
What is the point in providing evidence that cannot be seen by people who need convincing. It's "preaching to the converted" gone mad!
That is the great thing, the information is available to all people. That knowledge has been available since creation commenced. It is held back only to protect us from the consequences of its misuse, but all knowledge was released in 1844.
Baha'u'llah did not come for science but to show us how to achieve peace and unity.
Thus that Message of peace and unity is clear, the warnings of the consequences of rejection are also made clear, yet how the consequences will inflict mankind, are veiled to enable free will.
Regards Tony