Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[CG Didymus]

There was no written covenant by Jesus Christ that cut them from the tree. The branch's still grew, they were still connected to the same tree.

Regards Tony

Okay, if you want to keep going with this, then tell me... what does it say that is supposed to happen when the guardian dies?

Oh, and you're right there was no written covenant by Jesus. There was nothing written by Jesus. So, if there is a Christian "tree", it has no roots. It's only grounded in what some of his followers said. And then some of those writings can't be shown to written by the people Christians claim wrote them. And Christians that do go to the Bible and the NT to find their "roots", the Fundamentalists, Baha'is will tell them that they are way off base in the things they believe, because they take it too literal. So, what is Christianity rooted in? If I listen to some Baha'is, nothing. Only the misinterpretations of his followers.

 

[CG Didymus]

you have created internal rationalizations so that they feel consistent to you.

The Baha'i Faith has done that for them. But what's weird is they get rid of all the mythical and superstitious beliefs that some Christians believe are true and replaces them with new mythical, superstitious kinds of beliefs that have to just be accepted as true by "faith". Like "No, that Christian three in one God is not real, but our unknowable, unseen, unprovable God is real."

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And some Christians feel that way about JW's or Mormons. The point is some people have started what they believe to be the true Baha'is. So, even though small, they are still a sect.

Consider though CG, there is no Authority to cut off that interpretation, they are still as valid as any other branch of Christianity.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

The Baha'i Faith has done that for them. But what's weird is they get rid of all the mythical and superstitious beliefs that some Christians believe are true and replaces them with new mythical, superstitious kinds of beliefs that have to just be accepted as true by "faith". Like "No, that Christian three in one God is not real, but our unknowable, unseen, unprovable God is real."

[nod] and then they claim that their reimagination of Christianity is "real" Christianity.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, if you want to keep going with this, then tell me... what does it say that is supposed to happen when the guardian dies?

Luckily the Covernant allowed for such a possibility.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Well I explained it in OP of the other thread.

I prefer to continue there, but it is OK if you want to quote me from that thread here and continue.

Right from the beginning of that thread there is this.

Right - so there is, in fact, no mention of the unique, sin-atoning, propitiatory sacrifice of the "one Jesus Christ" in behalf of the "whole world" - that's a fairly significant omission and departure from the Christian scriptures I would have thought.

He gave NT references. It is in the NT that claims that Jesus was the only one able to pay the price for the sins of the world. That people can never be good enough to pay the price on their own. Can you show how that is an incorrect interpretation of the things said in the NT?

Then have you commented on my questions about what the Kitab i Iquan says about Noah and about Hud and Salih?

 

[CG Didymus]

if you pick up any teaching from any previous Holy Books, such as Bible, Quran, Hinduism or Buddhism scriptures,... it is found in the Book of Iqan,

Okay, what did he say in that book about the Hindu belief of reincarnation?

 

[CG Didymus]

[nod] and then they claim that their reimagination of Christianity is "real" Christianity.

Yep, that's my biggest problem with the Baha'i Faith, progressive revelation. They reinvent all the other religions in order to get them to fit the progression. They almost come right out and say that all the other religions are false by saying that they've all lost the "original" meanings and teachings, that they've misinterpreted and added in things. Well yeah, I agree with that. Plus, it seems like each religion borrowed from other religions and made up their own version. And I think a good case could be made that the Baha'i Faith borrowed heavily from Islam.

 

[CG Didymus]

Luckily the Covernant allowed for such a possibility.

Regards Tony

Then how do you explain...

It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor
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I guess it wasn't "incumbent" after all.

 

[joelr]

Yes no doubt, a rose bush does not show its beauty until the rose blooms.

Regards Tony

"The House of Justice states in its letter of 19 April, 2001 to an individual accompanying the Memorandum of the Research Department of the same date, that: "...there can be no doubt that promise of `Abdu'l-Bahá has now been fulfilled, and the unity of nations securely established in the century now concluded."

Yes but in 2001 he claimed the prophecy has been fulfilled? Since 2001 has the unity of nations being securely established now concluded? Things have gotten far worse since that time? There is a war going on and unrest is brewing in several other areas? This is not the prophecy being "concluded"? Is there any policing here to what religions will freely claim as "fulfilled prophecy"? This is what cults do.
Nothing here involves all nations disarming, nothing even indicates that direction is remotely possible?

We have this current war, issues with China, North Korea and the Middle East is still a mess. You think that sounds like a rose bush?

 

[CG Didymus]

Consider though CG, there is no Authority to cut off that interpretation, they are still as valid as any other branch of Christianity.

Regards Tony

No, the validity of all religions is questionable. And I don't think that Baha'is accept any one sect or denomination of any one of the other religions as being valid. Or am I mistaken?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Then how do you explain...

It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor
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I guess it wasn't "incumbent" after all.

There was a stipulation as to who the Guardian could appoint.

Unfortunatly there was not one he could appoint.

Luckily, the Covenant allowed for that.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

"The House of Justice states in its letter of 19 April, 2001 to an individual accompanying the Memorandum of the Research Department of the same date, that: "...there can be no doubt that promise of `Abdu'l-Bahá has now been fulfilled, and the unity of nations securely established in the century now concluded."

Yes but in 2001 he claimed the prophecy has been fulfilled? Since 2001 has the unity of nations being securely established now concluded? Things have gotten far worse since that time? There is a war going on and unrest is brewing in several other areas? This is not the prophecy being "concluded"? Is there any policing here to what religions will freely claim as "fulfilled prophecy"? This is what cults do.
Nothing here involves all nations disarming, nothing even indicates that direction is remotely possible?

We have this current war, issues with China, North Korea and the Middle East is still a mess. You think that sounds like a rose bush?

I replied to that. Maybe you would like to read that reply again.

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Regards Tony

 

[joelr]

Hi

"unity of nations" is a different term than "lessor peace".

Unity of nations, is in the sense that people of the world consider each other as one humanity. This is a relative statement though, in comparison with nationalism.
I suppose it is not something that we can measure. Because this is about the feeling of people that they are connected as one family.

But Most people agree that the 20th century, the world has more international relations.
It is more like internationalism. But the lessor peace in Bahai Writings, is another subject, which will happen be after the catastrophe.

The poster wrote that it was about Lesser Peace.
Unity of Nations is not happening right now.

 

[rational experiences]

Nations have their own DNA. Think differently by DNA nation status. As is language.

All father's first owned man once the same DNA. To be the human man first.

Father spirit brain mind DNA changed by falling star then changed by inheritance in human sex.

So the basics of knowledge as science of men the earth planet heavens sciences is world known. Expressed in religious creative advice basics.

The basis science the brothers world agreed.

The spirituality is brain mind nation.

Moses Muhammad theme said mountain fell into angelic fallout disintegration melt blackened face scorching of gods mountain.

Temple sciences. Temple on mount Ain zero fused. Changed. Man's fusion sciences changed it.

So the end mutation DNA exodus of genesis was from nature garden animals humans all sacrificed living on gods stone.

Statement. Exact nature in all countries changed.

Then evolution occurred.

Gods earth dust opened the seal of radiation so burnt gases again emerged by Heavenly ascent to descent.

Balances he said.

Jesus sciences I will copy Moses. Rebuilt science building. Brought mountain attack to ground. It ended.

Ended too. Story hence in all nations was changed.

Then Roman star fall burnt Rome.

They changed all scientific ideals.

1000 years later Satan star comes again. Burns sacrificed gases fall as shroud evidence.

So Mohammad Moses incident now was newly replaced updated in human DNA a national occurrence. New star fall.

Taught exact as evolution brings change by increase or decrease. In life by conditions.

What was ignored ice can become colder without evidence whilst ground dust mass pre radiating is gone.

As man was the theist science by star fall he hence said the DNA nation status had now changed. He was not lying. Humans by order don't like change.

So order forms a new group to remind everyone information country status has changed.

It had no other type of reason it was scientific. As spiritual man is born as a baby.

Inheriting body type brain by DNA the teaching. Exact.

It is easy to ignore your own human equal teaching when you make status of one nation only.

Christian movement was spiritual and not national.

Only in later days did Rome try to bring the idea that life sacrifice has to be accepted and honoured. When teaching involved migrating populations.

Human behaviour is after all a world accepted community standard.

Standards change only when need supersedes greed.

 

[joelr]

Yes the process where Nations saw the need to work together was after the first world war, the League of Nations was established on January 10, 1920, at the initiative of the victorious Allied powers at the end of World War I. war, before Abdul'baha passed away, but the foundations were weak. Abdul'baha was aware this was not the foundation. He had already predicted where that foundation would be built.

It needed a 2nd world war, then the "United Nations" came into existence on October 24, 1945.

"...Now, more than 75 years later, the United Nations is still working to maintain international peace and security, give humanitarian assistance to those in need, protect human rights, and uphold international law.

At the same time, the United Nations is doing new work not envisioned for it in 1945 by its founders. The United Nations has set sustainable development goals for 2030, in order to achieve a better and more sustainable future for us all. UN Member States have also agreed to climate action to limit global warming......"

History of the United Nations | United Nations

Thus it is indeed firmly established since 1945 when it started with 51 Nations.

It is also started in the City that Abdul'baha had foretold.

"...Abdu’l-Baha had prophetically declared in San Francisco, a third of a century before, “May the first flag of international peace be upraised in this state.” And when the cornerstone of the United Nations’ permanent seat was laid in New York City in 1949, the Baha’is recalled Abdu’l-Baha’s visionary statement thirty-seven years earlier, declaring New York as the “City of the Covenant” and saying, in an address at the Astor Hotel to the New York Peace Society:

There is no doubt that … the banner of international agreement will be unfurled here to spread onward and outward among all the nations of the world." – The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 125
The Baha’is, the United Nations and Universal Peace

Another sound prediction of future events.

Regards Tony

No, that isn't a sound prediction at all? You are talking about the UN as if it's the prophecy meanwhile there is an actual war happening? Millions of people are suffering greatly while you are all "yay the prophecy"?
Islam is going to be the leading religion by 2050. China (hello? are you aware of anything outside made-up text) is getting aggressive and wants Taiwan, North Korea is home to some of the worst crimes against humanity since WW2?
This is the worst confirmation bias ever? Why don't you demonstrate that religion is real by praying 3 times today and ending the war and having North Korea become stable by Sunday? Instead of silly vague prophecies please make some magic happen. Go.

 

[joelr]

Just wanted to draw the peoples attention to an important statement made by Baha'i author Jack Mclean in the Baha'i link you referenced;

"Prophecy is interpreted in retrospect." (Under "about this document").

I see that as a frank admission of the part post hoc rationalisation plays in Baha'i prophecy fulfillment.

In my opinion.

Ha, so they wait for some event that seems to fit the prophecy then say "wow look, it happened!" Since vague events are bound to happen, it might actually come true. Messages from God? Whatever.

 

[joelr]

I replied to that. Maybe you would like to read that reply again.

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Regards Tony

I replied to that? Kant had been talking about a League of Nations in the 1700's. The prophecy said it would start in San Fransisco and world treaties had been talked about for ages? The UN is far from having all nations belong and that may not be possible.
This is another vague prediction of something people already wanted and it still isn't a universal treaty? If God was telling you the future you would say first WW1 then WW2, you would know names and exact details.
These are not prophecies coming true.
I don't see the prophecy on your link on pg 125?

Clearly reading that link, he thinks the Gospels are historical narratives. He doesn't seem to realize the stories are savior myths no different from any Greek mystery religion. Makes sense because he's a man and doesn't have powers or access to anything but the same books everyone else does.
He says all nations will no longer have names and all will be under his religion. That is probably not going to happen. You know Islam is rapidly growing?

 

[rational experiences]

The shroud of Turin proved that man's cloud heavenly image was changed.

The actual statement said by man.

As all statements about science terms about earth changes were stated by man.

Geez fancy you claiming you are the God as the man highest spirit waiting for something other to change life on earth.

That something other ends up being man's chosen scientific cosmic cause.

Fancy that men are waiting for men to heal their senses and become moral.

Do you preach...
Believe in earth life's human holiness or God will teach you a lesson.

Have you learnt yet?

No.

Did you make that first mistake a long time ago?

Did you have a choice once?

Yes.

You chose wrong is natural humans man's teaching.

That status taught man your choice for humanity on earth has to be unified. As there is no other choice

 

[joelr]

I replied to that. Maybe you would like to read that reply again.

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Regards Tony

Pg 28 - Talk at Howard University Washington, D.C. Translated by Amin Banani
"Consider how many different nations and divergent religious beliefs existed when Christ appeared. Enmity and strife prevailed among them—Romans, Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians —all warring and hostile toward each other. Christ, through the breaths of the Holy Spirit, united them, established fellowship among them so that no trace of strife remained. Under His standard they became united and lived in peace through His teachings."


No. The 2nd century was a mess. Many sects of Christianity who called each other heretics. The letters of Iraneus shows us this was a bad time. Lot of strife in the 3rd century, then the church persecuted any outside beliefs, then the split with Protestant groups. Those were not united times?



"Especially white and black are the descendants of the same Adam; they belong to one household. In origin they were one; they were the same color. Adam was of one color. Eve had one color. All humanity is descended from them. Therefore, in origin they are one. These colors developed later due to climates and regions;"

Well, no, there wasn't a first human. Homo Heidelburgensis slowly evolved into Homo Sapien and they already were black humans? Guess Bahai was a creationist? Wow?



https://www.bahai.org/library/autho...ace/promulgation-universal-peace.pdf?2e97cf87