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Are Barack Obama And Donald Trump On The Hook For Murder?

Kid Dynamite

Kid Dynamite

Iron Mike
Alright guys. If I wanted a debate I would've posted this in that section. I wasn't looking to make a federal case out of it. Do you all jump on new members looking to learn like this? Are you the forum troll McBell?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Wirey said:
There are degrees of sin?
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Yes, there are.
At least, according to the Bible.
But that is likely a topic for a different thread.

Wirey said:
The commandment doesn't read "Thou shalt not kill, unless you think you have a good reason."
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Except MOST versions use murder, not kill

Exodus 20:13
(ABP+) You shall notG3756 murder.G5407
(AFV) You shall not murder.
(ASV) Thou shalt not kill.
(BBE) Do not put anyone to death without cause.
(Bishops) Thou shalt not kyll.
(Brenton) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(BSB) You shall not murder.
(Cepher) You shall not kill.
(CEV) Do not murder.
(Darby) Thou shalt not kill.
(DRB) Thou shalt not kill.
(ERV) "You must not murder anyone.
(ESV) “You shall not murder.
(ESV+) R16“You shall not murder.N1
(Ewe OCS) Mègawu ame o.
(Geneva) Thou shalt not kill.
(GNB) "Do not commit murder.
(GW) "Never murder.
(ISV) "You are not to murder.
(JPS) Thou shalt not murder.
(JUB) Thou shalt not murder.
(KJV) Thou shalt not kill.
(KJV+) Thou shalt notH3808 kill.H7523
(KJV-1611) Thou shalt not kill.
(KJVA) Thou shalt not kill.
(KJV-BRG) Thou shalt not kill.
(LEB) "You shall not murder.
(LITV) You shall not murder.
(LSV) You do not murder.
(MKJV) You shall not kill.
(NET) “You shall not murder.
(RV) Thou shalt do no murder.
(TLV) Do not murder.
(TS2009) “You do not murder.
(WEB) “You shall not murder.
(WEBA) “You shall not murder.
(Webster) Thou shalt not kill.
(YLT) 'Thou dost not murder.

Wirey said:
Everyone who bothers to kill someone thinks they have a good reason.
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For the most part.
Accidents do happen.

Wirey said:
Either it's a commandment, or it's not.
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The question isn't whether or not it is a commandment.
The question is what, specifically, the command is.
Wirey said:
There's no "Do not covet your neighbour's wife, unless she's super hot" proviso.
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Agreed.
Though not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand
 
Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Kid Dynamite said:
I believe it was Obama that gave the orders to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden, and Trump the same for Qasem Soleimani. They were without a doubt very bad men but it says in the bible "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I assume God means murder. That being the case, does that mean the two will be held responsible by God for the killings however justified it may have seemed to them?
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Yes. Murder is always wrong.
 
Kid Dynamite

Kid Dynamite

Iron Mike
Subduction Zone said:
The Bible, even if it is "God's word" (it never actually claims that) was not written in English. You are always dealing with a translation into English. Not all translations are the same.
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Hi Subduction Zone.

I understand that. But no matter the translation He forbids taking the life of another person for any reason right?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
McBell said:
What is it I presented that makes you think I am a troll?
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It is that dang smiling cat avatar.

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Rats! That is not any better.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Kid Dynamite said:
Hi Subduction Zone.

I understand that. But no matter the translation He forbids taking the life of another person for any reason right?
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I have seen some translations that limit it to murder, so no.

EDIT: The first translation that came up in a search showed that wording:

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New International Version

The Ten Commandments - And God spoke all these words: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the...
www.biblegateway.com www.biblegateway.com
 
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