Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
Your last few posts only confirm it in my mind. It's okay, you probably can't help it. lol
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Are Barack Obama And Donald Trump On The Hook For Murder?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I edited my post. I did a quick Google search on the Ten Commandments and the first translation that I came across used that wording:
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New International Version
The Ten Commandments - And God spoke all these words: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the...
You may get a different version if you do a Google search since search results often match what you have read in the past.
Thanks, but I didn't ask about your speculation on God's possible understanding. I asked your opinion of the difference between "don't kill" and "don't murder."
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
Thank you for the info.I have seen some translations that limit it to murder, so no.
EDIT: The first translation that came up in a search showed that wording:
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New International Version
The Ten Commandments - And God spoke all these words: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the...www.biblegateway.com
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
They mean the same thing to me.
McBell
Unbound
Ah, so it is only in your mind and you are to scared to support your own mind.
got it.
Now since you are completely ignoring the content presented in this thread which contradicts your claims of only one possible clear cut interpretation, which by the way is classic troll behavior....
Have a nice day.
Murder is the illegal taking of a life,
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It sure is nice outside today.
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
Well isn't 'illegal' a human thing? To kill or murder means the taking of a human life right? Our manmade laws don't apply to Him.
Will do Thanks
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
Well isn't 'illegal' a human thing? To kill or murder means the taking of a human life right? Our manmade laws don't apply to God.
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
Calm down bro. Enjoy life
In order:
- Yes. Therefore?
- So is killing by accident and killing in self defense. Therefore?
- Correct, but no one is talking about charging God with killing (legal or otherwise). Therefore?
Kid Dynamite
Iron Mike
If it's by accident it is still killing yes, but God won't punish someone for something that they didn't mean to do. He knows what's in your mind and heart. Would you punish one of your children for a transgression that was an accident? I can't believe this thread hasn't been moved to the debate section yet. lol
Can we please get back to my original question. Do you feel that God will punish Obama and Trump for murder.
I suppose it's a matter of who gets punished by God for killing - the one giving the order or the one carrying it out? Of course, one could ask the same question about any national or military leader in a time of war. Would Harry Truman be punished by God for the atomic bombings? Would any Presidents from earlier times be punished for committing genocide, slavery, and other atrocities?
Or even legal executions here in the U.S. Since murder is considered an illegal killing, if a government officially declares it to be "legal," does that mean that God would let them off the hook? So, one could commit an execution in the U.S., and both the executioner and the person ordering the execution would be off the hook, since it's considered "legal." Does God have the power to overrule U.S. law and declare something illegal when the government declared it to be legal?
Scott Roeder and paul Hill killed abortion doctors. Roeder said it was his Christian duty to protect the unborn by killing Dr. Tiller. Roeder killed Yiller as he walked out of his Sunday chuch service. He got life in prison.
Hill claimed God told him to murder the doctor. He got the death penalty. This illustrates the dilemma of God having a different moral standard because some believers will insist they are following God's standard. Why can't God do his own dirty work? He did in the Old Testament.
As for Obama and Trump, they have executime immunity. As we know bin Laden was an international criminal who was wanted by many government agencies. He organized and planned the 9-11 atacks, so he had it coming. The Soleimani killing is more controversial, as it's considered an assassination, not eliminating an enemy combatant.