Are believers less likely to sin?

[Sheldon]

That's because we're sneakier...

*nods solemnly*

Shhh! Frist rule of atheist club...we don't talk about atheist club!

 

[Sheldon]

But not in the prisons of other countries (for example UK), where the irreligious tend to be slightly overrepresented

Are you sure?

"Approximately 35.2 thousand prisoners in England and Wales identified as being Christian in 2021, the most of any religious faith among prisoners. A further 24.5 thousand identified as having no religion, while 13.7 thousand identified as Muslims."

"More than half (53%) of the British public now describe themselves as having “no religion”, up from 48% in 2015. The proportion of non-believers has increased gradually since the survey began in 1983, when the proportion saying they had no religion stood at 31%."

 

[Sheldon]

I have no reason to think they believe Jesus who said for example:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

If person believes Jesus, he doesn't act like servant of Satan.



Yes, because I think it is stupid to make simple things unnecessarily complicated.

Are you suggesting Jesus did not believe in repentance?

 

[Sheldon]

How could one abuse anyone, if he believes Jesus who said that people should love others and not do anything that they would not want to be done to them? (No one wants anything to be done to them against their will).

Yet countless Christians do and have, the bible seems to relish depicting such acts, enthusiastically encouraged by a deity of course. If that deity were perfect, then one would marvel at the change of heart alone.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The decalogue of Exodus 20. Skeptics don't honor the Sabbath, are free to commit adultery, covet, lie, etc.

Christians don't honour the Sabbath either (except the SDAs, arguably).

Skeptics also aren't beholden to the idea that a wife is property that could be coveted.

 

[Kenny]

Since atheists don't believe in sin, this is a rather meaningless observation. How can one do commit a sin when it doesn't exist?

Ohh... so you wouldn't classify murder as a sin?

 

[Augustus]

Are you sure?

"Approximately 35.2 thousand prisoners in England and Wales identified as being Christian in 2021, the most of any religious faith among prisoners. A further 24.5 thousand identified as having no religion, while 13.7 thousand identified as Muslims."

"More than half (53%) of the British public now describe themselves as having “no religion”, up from 48% in 2015. The proportion of non-believers has increased gradually since the survey began in 1983, when the proportion saying they had no religion stood at 31%."

It is if you use the government's own data compared to the census:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

 

[1213]

Are you suggesting Jesus did not believe in repentance?

What do you mean with "repentance"? Repeating all the wrong things?

 

[1213]

If that were true, the Catholic Church wouldn't have its predator priest scandal.

Or they just don't believe what Jesus said. I think it is obvious that there are unfortunately many Catholic priests who don't believe Jesus. Claiming to believe that Jesus exists is not the same and it is not useful, if person doesn't believe what Jesus says. But, I don't think they all are like that and I don't think any group should be judged by actions of other people in that group.

 

[1213]

It is if you use the government's own data compared to the census:

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https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

Thanks, that is interesting statistics. Would be nice to know how many of those turned into a religion in the prison, what was their situation before and after prison.

 

[Muffled]

In another thread, someone shared their opinion to me.

A "believer" is less likely to r*** / assault his wife was the opinion.

Tell me your opinion. In general, is a believer less likely to "sin" or act immorally?

I believe the reality is that believers sin less. It does vary some though because it depends on a persons ability to walk in the Spirit. Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

 

[Muffled]

Nope. People are people.

Now, what they see as a sin...or even a 'sin'...is going to differ, and that might impact.
You'll also run into some level of No True Scotsmen fallacy, I'll guarantee it.

No true Christian will sin. It sounds good but it doesn't quite work that way but Christians will sin less generally than other people.

 

[Muffled]

No, they just know how to hide it better.

I believe God sees all sin so hiding only helps socially.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No true Christian will sin. It sounds good but it doesn't quite work that way but Christians will sin less generally than other people.

There ya go! I knew someone would chip in for me.

I assume you're working with a Christian definition of 'sin', right?

 

[Sheldon]

Ohh... so you wouldn't classify murder as a sin?

Obviously not, which bit of I don't believe sin exists is confusing you?

 

[Kenny]

Obviously not, which bit of I don't believe sin exists is confusing you?

Interesting and scary!

 

[BilliardsBall]

So your claim is that no Christian ever commits adultery, and that no non-Christian has any moral objection towards it?

No, my claim is that skeptics break most of the Bible rules all the time.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Gerraway, the bible claims non-believers are less moral? What a non shocker.

What percentage of atheists are homophobic compared to theists I wonder? What percentage are racist? As for violent crimes like murder and rape, there is longstanding research in the US demonstrating that atheists imprisoned for such crimes are at a lower percentage than in the general population.

My "longstanding research" shows that most criminals claim innocence as well as Christianity--no one goes to a parole board and says "There is no God!"

But you also didn't respond to my point--that skeptics disobey most of the Bible rules, constantly. The Bible rules are there for God to bless people who do the right things--the healthy things, like eating well, abstaining from sexual immorality, which wounds us and hurts us, sometimes physically...

 

[BilliardsBall]

Christians don't honour the Sabbath either (except the SDAs, arguably).

Skeptics also aren't beholden to the idea that a wife is property that could be coveted.

That's 2 of 613 Bible laws.