Are Blood Transfusions Really Life Saving?

[Jenny Collins]

Of course he has misplaced his anger, - however, - I was giving the reason for that anger - in relation to this subject. His brother was brain damaged because his mother would not allow blood transfusions.



You have not trumped science in your posts. Authorities step in all the time for the benefit of children. I believe they should do so in this case - until the child is old enough to choose for themselves.



There is no proof the God of the Bible is real, or God. It is written by Bronze/Iron Age people - whom did not have modern science.



It is not my interpretation. The JEWS whose Tanakh it is - say YOU are wrong in your interpretation.

Also, obviously, there are two sides in the medical/scientific debate on blood transfusions, - with the majority of the authorities being on the side of giving transfusions.



No you haven't. You have shown a later religious groups ideas about another religion's texts. THEY don't agree with you.



Absolutely NOT! The treatment and murder of children for supposed adult sins, is exactly why I know the God of the Bible IS NOT GOD.



I believe the Isaac story is a teaching story showing the new teaching to NO LONGER offer the First Born as a Sacrifice to YHVH. An animal is used as a substitute. And YES the Hebrew did have child sacrifice.



No. The God of the Bible allows the things evil MEN want to do, - thus written by men - not God. The God of the Bible commits murder of the innocent.

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You say that we are a "later religion" No we are the same Christians as first century believers were! But if you claim otherwise, you would have to accept that Protestants and Catholics are "later Christians" too! You say the "God of the Bible did not believe in murder of children" You are right and you are wrong! God did allow children to die at the hands of his believers! In war against other nations, they were told to dash children against stones! Sound harsh! It was war against unbelievers and they had to destroy those nations! I already brought up Isaac and Abraham! And God allows children to die from Cancer, from accidents, and so on and so forth! The two things in life that are certain are death and taxes! One person dies at 3, another 46, another 60, and Don Rickles just lived to 90!

If there is a God, do you think this life now is the only future that we have that we have to cling to? Of course, we try to keep living, we want our kids to live, we take care of ourselves? But we have to obey the commands of God! If not, than forget the Bible, and find another religion, or become atheist!

 

[Jenny Collins]

I myself don't believe in a god, so I am not under that burden, and when I say they should let their child have blood, of course I am talking about an emergency where the child has lost a lot of blood, if there was a god and he was suppose to be loving then I am sure he would understand, unless of course he is a unloving god.

Well since you don't believe in God, you can make the decision to give your child blood! Your subjective world view, your interpretation of life, your decision! But since you know of Bible examples where the parents followed God even if it put their kids at risk, would you at least agree that other "Christians" should agree with the principle that obedience to God comes first?

 

[Jenny Collins]

I myself don't believe in a god, so I am not under that burden, and when I say they should let their child have blood, of course I am talking about an emergency where the child has lost a lot of blood, if there was a god and he was suppose to be loving then I am sure he would understand, unless of course he is a unloving god.

Also what do you think of Hell fire believers who think God eternally tortures people? Why would their feelings suddenly become so compassionate about this issue? Think about it: "Those big, bad JWs won't give their kids blood" Then the next sentence: "God is so loving and merciful that he tortures people for eternity if they don't follow him"

 

[psychoslice]

Well since you don't believe in God, you can make the decision to give your child blood! Your subjective world view, your interpretation of life, your decision! But since you know of Bible examples where the parents followed God even if it put their kids at risk, would you at least agree that other "Christians" should agree with the principle that obedience to God comes first?

Obedience to your God may come first, but not when you are playing Russian relent with your child's life, did you know there was traces of blood in vaccines, that you are eating blood when you eat red meat even though cooked ?.

 

[Jenny Collins]

I myself don't believe in a god, so I am not under that burden, and when I say they should let their child have blood, of course I am talking about an emergency where the child has lost a lot of blood, if there was a god and he was suppose to be loving then I am sure he would understand, unless of course he is a unloving god.

And if you are atheist, what do you think of abortion! Do you think a woman has a right to kill her unborn child, but a JW doesn't have the right to say no to transfusions for their children?

 

[psychoslice]

Also what do you think of Hell fire believers who think God eternally tortures people? Why would their feelings suddenly become so compassionate about this issue? Think about it: "Those big, bad JWs won't give their kids blood" Then the next sentence: "God is so loving and merciful that he tortures people for eternity if they don't follow him"

Of course I don't believe in such childish stories of hell and brimstone, and a loving god I also don't believe in, like have you actually read your NWT ?.

 

[Jenny Collins]

Obedience to your God may come first, but not when you are playing Russian relent with your child's life, did you know there was traces of blood in vaccines, that you are eating blood when you eat red meat even though cooked ?.

It is a strawman that we are playing russian roulette with kid's life, rarely is as risky as you are claiming! And yes, I know about traces of blood in meat, and meds! If you would have read earlier posts of mine here you would see that I already spoke on traces of blood in meat! As far as meds, JWs have many times addressed that issue and also the issues of accepting blood fractions

 

[Jenny Collins]

Of course I don't believe in such childish stories of hell and brimstone, what you are doing is missing the opert

A lot of Hell fire promoters will get indignant at us for the blood issue, then justify eternal torment! Just wonder what you think if their reasoning! Some of them may be reading this here right now, I would like to have them see what you say

 

[psychoslice]

And if you are atheist, what do you think of abortion! Do you think a woman has a right to kill her unborn child, but a JW doesn't have the right to say no to transfusions for their children?

If the abortion is done early I have nothing against it, if the transfusion is done when the child has lost a lot of blood then I am for it also.

 

[Jenny Collins]

Of course I don't believe in such childish stories of hell and brimstone, and a loving god I also don't believe in, like have you actually read your NWT ?.

Do you smoke? Did you ever smoke around your kids? Did you feed them fat free, sugar free diets? If you did, kudos! Are you as outspoken about those subjects as you are about blood? If you had a kid, would you only let them have blood in an emergency and insist on bloodless surgery in all other cases so your kid would enjoy better health?

 

[psychoslice]

It is a strawman that we are playing russian roulette with kid's life, rarely is as risky as you are claiming! And yes, I know about traces of blood in meat, and meds! If you would have read earlier posts of mine here you would see that I already spoke on traces of blood in meat! As far as meds, JWs have many times addressed that issue and also the issues of accepting blood fractions

ha, cherry picking, it sounds to me like an excuse, trying to protect your *** while still believing in not having blood transfusion, your in a corner that you cannot get out of.

 

[Jenny Collins]

If the abortion is done early I have nothing against it, if the transfusion is done when the child has lost a lot of blood then I am for it also.

So you believe in the murder of children as long as they are in a womb? That troubles my conscience and my interpretation, so what are you going to do about it? Can I inflict my conscience on you? Should I try to change the law on abortion?

 

[Jenny Collins]

ha, cherry picking, it sounds to me like an excuse, trying to protect your *** while still believing in not having blood transfusion, your in a corner that you cannot get out of.

Prove that statement

 

[psychoslice]

So you believe in the murder of children as long as they are in a womb? That troubles my conscience and my interpretation, so what are you going to do about it? Can I inflict my conscience on you? Should I try to change the law on abortion?

You have your beliefs as I have mine, we are here discussing those beliefs, I just don't agree with your's as you don't with mine, simple.

 

[Jenny Collins]

ha, cherry picking, it sounds to me like an excuse, trying to protect your *** while still believing in not having blood transfusion, your in a corner that you cannot get out of.

Now let's make this the issue from this point on! We have talked about transfusions long enough! I don't like it that you would excuse abortion, so what would you tell me about that? To mind my own business?

 

[psychoslice]

Prove that statement

The same back at you.

 

[Jenny Collins]

You have your beliefs as I have mine, we are here discussing those beliefs, I just don't agree with your's as you don't with mine, simple.

Cool! Now you see how it works! Your significant other gets pregnant and you and her don't want it, so you allow her to abort! Then your 18 year old joins the service and fights in war! You feel scared for him but think he is doing the right thing! He dies and you are proud of him! Your life, your interpretation! My life, my interpretation! Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one! As evidenced by the recent political election and the fussing and bickering over who should win and the direction of the country!

 

[psychoslice]

Now let's make this the issue from this point on! We have talked about transfusions long enough! I don't like it that you would excuse abortion, so what would you tell me about that? To mind my own business?

I don't believe a child is a child until it is born, it then becomes conditioned and programmed by it parents and society, this is when it starts to build its ego, or its personality, before all this the child is a clean slate, if I take away from you all that you have been conditioned who then are you ?.

 

[Jenny Collins]

The same back at you.

Go back and read all I said here, you didn't read it all because you brought up issues I already had addressed! Then you will see that I did prove things, even shared links to media coverage of transfusions

 

[psychoslice]

Cool! Now you see how it works! Your significant other gets pregnant and you and her don't want it, so you allow her to abort! Then your 18 year old joins the service and fights in war! You feel scared for him but think he is doing the right thing! He dies and you are proud of him! Your life, your interpretation! My life, my interpretation! Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one! As evidenced by the recent political election and the fussing and bickering over who should win and the direction of the country!

That is true to a certain degree, but some belly buttons are dirty and need cleaning lol.