Are crystals magic?

[Daviso452]

I was reffering to shawn. But I do agree with the crystals are BS part. I don't agree with your reasoning, however.

 

[Tiberius]

Accepting things as possible,
in no way means you end up 'believing' any of it.

I think you need to tell Martin that. It seems he believes in God because he can't disprove God...

 

[nnmartin]

Where is Martin? I was not done discussing with him. My question still stands: Where did God come from?

Martin had to go to work!

anyway, I've no idea where God came from but I don't think it's a concept a person could or should try to deal with.

but this is definitely straying into new thread territory.

whatever happened to those crystals were were discussing? :rainbow1:

 

[nnmartin]

I dont know your religion but I can say this Jesus did not use crystal's to heal nor does he need to use them now. Furthermore Christians do not need crystal's to get healing or anything. Healing power is in the shed blood of Jesus Christ and his finished work on calvary's cross.

Hi there,

I am not saying that crystals can heal but just that there is some kind of Earth Magic Connect with them.

Also I'm not linking them up with Christianity as they seem to have an essence in more of a Pagan/New Age type way.

 

[Tiberius]

What do you have as evidence of "Earth Magic"?

 

[blackout]

I think you need to tell Martin that. It seems he believes in God because he can't disprove God...

Surely he has other reasons to 'believe in God',
whatever they may be.

Otherwise he would believe in EVERYTHING that cannot be conclusively disproved as possible.

 

[work in progress]

Just a heads up. Proselytizing is not allowed on the forum/s.

Afterthought: Jesus did use mud to heal.

CWC did touch on one negative aspect that I can see with the decline of traditional religions: there are a myriad of cults and new age charlatans springing up in their place. When I first stumbled across this thread, my first thoughts were 'this can't be serious,' why would anyone in this day and age believe that crystals have healing powers?

I don't have an issue with someone who buys a charm stone or cheap copper bracelets - in the hope that they might help alleviate arthritis. But, there are a lot of charlatans out there making an undeserved amount of money out of what boils down to the placebo effect.

 

[nnmartin]

What do you have as evidence of "Earth Magic"?

the power of the crystal to keep you attracted to this thread.

 

[Tiberius]

lol, it's not a crystal that keeps me coming back. It's that I love debate where my opponents use logical fallacies. Makes my position very easy to defend.

Can you propose a test conducted in a scientific manner and controlled circumstances which will show the effects of this "earth magic"?

 

[Daviso452]

I was hoping to have a good debate about god here. ;(

 

[nnmartin]

lol, it's not a crystal that keeps me coming back. It's that I love debate where my opponents use logical fallacies. Makes my position very easy to defend.

Here's some fodder for you to work with:

1. Crystals must contain magic because they seem so amazing that it is impossible for them to be just pieces of rock. Ad ignorantium

2. The human mind cannot understand crystals therefore we cannot detect the magic scientifically. Argument from Personal Incredulity

3. The belief that some people have for the magic of crystals protects us from their hidden powers. If no one believed in and thus tamed this power the crystal magic would overpower us all. Argument from final Consequences


- of course there is some truth in each of these examples.

 

[Daviso452]

You have explained God.

 

[Tiberius]

Here's some fodder for you to work with:

1. Crystals must contain magic because they seem so amazing that it is impossible for them to be just pieces of rock. Ad ignorantium

2. The human mind cannot understand crystals therefore we cannot detect the magic scientifically. Argument from Personal Incredulity

3. The belief that some people have for the magic of crystals protects us from their hidden powers. If no one believed in and thus tamed this power the crystal magic would overpower us all. Argument from final Consequences


- of course there is some truth in each of these examples.

And what kind of person uses those arguments knowing the flaws in them?

And you have never demonstrated a shred of truth in any of them.

 

[nnmartin]

well it's abiding by the saying - 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you'

- so this concept of refutation by writing something off as a logical fallacy is in fact a logical fallacy itself!

We can never know with 100% certainty the existence or non-existence of God or spiritual forces - hence me saying that there is some truth in each of those examples.

 

[nnmartin]

You have explained God.

Kudos to me then!

 

[Tiberius]

well it's abiding by the saying - 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you'

- so this concept of refutation by writing something off as a logical fallacy is in fact a logical fallacy itself!

We can never know with 100% certainty the existence or non-existence of God or spiritual forces - hence me saying that there is some truth in each of those examples.

My goodness. How does your brain actually work like this?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

We can never know with 100% certainty the existence or non-existence of God or spiritual forces - hence me saying that there is some truth in each of those examples.

We can disprove concepts of God that are logically inconsistent, or that fail to match up with evidence. Beyond that, we can prove that such ideas are redundant and pointless (Laplace's "I have no need for that hypothesis").

So no, we could theoretically show that "spiritual forces" are impossible and or redundant, and we're on our way there.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

well it's abiding by the saying - 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you'

- so this concept of refutation by writing something off as a logical fallacy is in fact a logical fallacy itself!

I very much doubt you understand what a logical fallacy is, in that case.

Also, non-sequitur.

We can never know with 100% certainty the existence or non-existence of God or spiritual forces - hence me saying that there is some truth in each of those examples.

Argument from incredulity.

 

[nnmartin]

My goodness. How does your brain actually work like this?

Like most people I have two personalities, or two different ways of thinking.

One is more religious than the other and they often argue together (duality of the mind in a way)

I did post a thread a few days ago (which didn't generate a lot of interest) trying to explore this avenue. (yin and yang).

As I was starting off there we all have these forces within in us to some extent.

Good/Bad , masculine/feminine, religious/atheist , moral/immoral etc...

I see certain aspects of my psyche as like Simon Magus (a heretical magician) and Simon-Peter (the right hand man of Jesus).

so, on any given day or moment one of these personalities has the upper hand.

Remember though this is all in a fairly abstract sense so for day to day humdrum I am just myself going around in my normal existence.

anyway , can you relate to this and do you have any personalities of such kind yourself?

 

[Tiberius]

No, I do not have any idea what you are talking about.

And I still don't see how what you said supports your statement that dismissing something because of a logical fallacy is a logical fallacy in itself.