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Are eggs vegetarian?

Wannabe Yogi

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Well, spanky, I figured Hinduism would've forbidden milk due to it being an animal product, especially from a cow, which they consider sacred, right?

Well Alfalfa;), Milk is why we love the cow. It is an eternal Giver. It gives us Milk, Butter and Ghee. Even when it takes a crap we use that to grow our crops. The Cow is symbolic of our planet. It also sets an example for us humans. We also should be givers and not takers.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Cows are not givers. Humans take away the milk by force :D

In the past in India many cows were more like a part of the family. I have been to Indian Ashrams were the cows gave mike but they were bathed and brushed and made to look pretty. The cows clearly loved all the attention.
 

ConfusedKuri

Active Member
In the past in India many cows were more like a part of the family. I have been to Indian Ashrams were the cows gave mike but they were bathed and brushed and made to look pretty. The cows clearly loved all the attention.

I read a report where it said they actually bought some cows from Germany and shipped them to India to put them into Ashrams and save them from the slaughterhouse. Cows can roam around freely in many parts of India, it's illegal to slaughter them, except in Kerala where it's common to consume beef I think.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Wannabe Yogi said:
In the past in India many cows were more like a part of the family. I have been to Indian Ashrams were the cows gave mike but they were bathed and brushed and made to look pretty. The cows clearly loved all the attention.

I know. Still...
I doubt at least most cows (if any at all) agree with giving their milk.
So to say, to make the consume of milk as fine as possible you would have to own a cow yourself and make her agree with giving her milk to you. I wonder how someone is gonna do that, but that is the only "correct" way.

Anyway, replying to the OP: there are many different types of vegetarianism. It is up to you to decide how strict your diet is gonna be.
 
I don't appreciate you undermining my religion by attaching a virtue such as the observance of offering the food to the Deity prior to consuming it to gluttony.

" 'Honouring the khichuri of the Lord with a pure mind, may you become blessed on this day. Lord Jagannatha gave to all of you varieties of extraordinary and wonderful prasada, such as khichuri and many kinds of cakes and condensed milk preparations. Therefore, take all of this prasada till you are filled up to the neck and chant 'Hari! Hari!' In such a transcendental atmosphere ignorance and sin will not remain."

-- Prasada-sevaya

I don't appreciate you making assumptions on what I believe of what culture I have been involved in. Vaishnava Dharma has been a major part of my life for years, and although I do not associate with it anymore, I still absolutely love the culture.

We have often joked at the temple at being a prasada-bhakta (prasadam das), and the honouring of prasadam has been an important part of Vaishnava Dharma, so one does not eat food that will spiritually contaminate the person if it is made by mayavadis.

So one is allowed to overflow with love for prasadam... Even Krishna Himself loved prasadam, and partook of it joyfully, and Srimati Radharani cooked different dishes every day for His pleasure, and no dish is ever the same. The Divine Lady cooks eternally, and the Divine Lord partakes in that offering of bhakti eternally! :eat:
 
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Wannabe Yogi

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I read a report where it said they actually bought some cows from Germany and shipped them to India to put them into Ashrams and save them from the slaughterhouse. Cows can roam around freely in many parts of India, it's illegal to slaughter them, except in Kerala where it's common to consume beef I think.

Even with all the the poverty in India they definitely have more respect for animals they we have. I have stayed with a family that had Cobras under a tree in their back yard. They feed the cobras eggs with rice pudding as a religious ritual. (They tell me that he Cobras eat both the eggs and rice pudding I would have to see them eat the rice pudding to believe it) The Cobras have lived under this Banyan tree for many,many generations of this family. It seems that this is something that has always been done. They also told me that nobody in their family has ever been bitten by the Cobras.
 

ConfusedKuri

Active Member
Even with all the the poverty in India they definitely have more respect for animals they we have. I have stayed with a family that had Cobras under a tree in their back yard. They feed the cobras eggs with rice pudding as a religious ritual. (They tell me that he Cobras eat both the eggs and rice pudding I would have to see them eat the rice pudding to believe it) The Cobras have lived under this Banyan tree for many,many generations of this family. It seems that this is something that has always been done. They also told me that nobody in their family has ever been bitten by the Cobras.

Maybe because they show them affection and don't fear them, so naturally the Cobras don't see them as enemies or feel endangered?
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
I know. Still...
I doubt at least most cows (if any at all) agree with giving their milk.
So to say, to make the consume of milk as fine as possible you would have to own a cow yourself and make her agree with giving her milk to you. I wonder how someone is gonna do that, but that is the only "correct" way.

Anyway, replying to the OP: there are many different types of vegetarianism. It is up to you to decide how strict your diet is gonna be.

I am not telling others how are what to eat.

In America cows are mistreated. Thats why I only get my milk from companies that I know they treat their cows with respect.

When my wife was breast feeding I could tell you it was painful if she did not get rid of the milk at times. The same is true of cows, goats and sheep. I have see goats who really, really want to be milked. They push each other out of the way to the milking machine. The lead goats go first.

The reason I am not a vegan. It is my personal philosophy that I want to live in a natural way. Humans need B-12 you cannot get that from a vegan diet. Vegans must take supplements. I don't want to do that. I have respect for those that do.
Also, Indians have been vegetarians for 1000s of years. They have all the bugs worked out of the system. I have not eaten meat for over 25 years my system works for me. I do not believe it is correct for everybody.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Wannabe Yogi said:
I am not telling others how are what to eat.

In America cows are mistreated. Thats why I only get my milk from companies that I know they treat their cows with respect.

I got it. But it is hard to know how much respect is given, and if the respect given is enough to suffice the slave life the cows live.

Wannabe Yogi said:
When my wife was breast feeding I could tell you it was painful if she did not get rid of the milk at times. The same is true of cows, goats and sheep. I have see goats who really, really want to be milked. They push each other out of the way to the milking machine. The lead goats go first.

Where are their babies? Weren't the babies supposed to drink as much milk as they wish? Wouldn't it avoid the pain most of the times?

These are just random guesses though. I don't know much about how it works.

Wannabe Yogi said:
The reason I am not a vegan. It is my personal philosophy that I want to live in a natural way. Humans need B-12 you cannot get that from a vegan diet. Vegans must take supplements. I don't want to do that. I have respect for those that do.
Also, Indians have been vegetarians for 1000s of years. They have all the bugs worked out of the system. I have not eaten meat for over 25 years my system works for me. I do not believe it is correct for everybody.

I am not a vegan, just to make it clear. And i agree that vegan diet is hard to live with.
I find it quite to complicated to balance our morals with our needs. Sometimes i wish we could be like plants, without the need to kill/use others to survive.
 
Where are their babies? Weren't the babies supposed to drink as much milk as they wish? Wouldn't it avoid the pain most of the times?

These are just random guesses though. I don't know much about how it works.

At least from what I was taught, even with when cows and goats are feeding their own children milk, they still produce an abundance of milk, especially when the cows are happy.

And veganism is not a natural diet that I have seen in any parts of the world, save in the yogi world. Otherwise, I have seen examples of lacto-vegetarianism in India for thousands of years, as well as a small number of African tribes subsisting on goat milk.
 

Satsangi

Active Member
I know. Still...
I doubt at least most cows (if any at all) agree with giving their milk.
So to say, to make the consume of milk as fine as possible you would have to own a cow yourself and make her agree with giving her milk to you. I wonder how someone is gonna do that, but that is the only "correct" way.

It is recommended that the calves first drink milk from the mother and then whatever remains, can be milked and then consumed by the humans.

While growing up, I still remember that in our home the first roti (Indian bread) was made for the cows/animals on the street. This was true of most of the homes; although it does not hold true nowadays in urban areas.

Regards,
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, spanky, I figured Hinduism would've forbidden milk due to it being an animal product, especially from a cow, which they consider sacred, right?

Hinduism doesn't forbid 'animal products'. In fact, the only thing 'It' forbids generally is cow flesh. But the sects of Hinduism that forbid meat eating in general do this have specific reasons.

I grew up as a Gaudiya Vaishnava. The three predominant reasons for not eating meat were:

1) Animals are sentient and killing them causes suffering to them. Their life is also valuable, and we would be taking it away from them by killing them

2) Everything is embodied by a certain mode of nature. These are goodness, passion and ignorance. So when we eat something, it will have a particular affect on our body, mind and consciousness. Food that is in the mode of goodness will be healthy all around. Food in the mode of passion will give us energy, make us more passionate. Food in the mode of ignorance is generally negative.

Meat is considered to be in the mode of passion. High levels of energy (often nervous energy) are not recommended for a spiritual lifestyle, which requires a clam mind and the ability to focus and stay quiet/calm for certain lengths of time (such as during meditation).

3) Karma. If you cause suffering, that suffering will come back to you. The more karma we accumulate, the longer we will have to remain on the material platform of life. It is a vicious cycle.

So to answer your question, Milk is considered in the mode of goodness. Whereas eggs are not. And because the Cow is one of the sacred Mothers (according to Hinduism), her milk is like taking food from a mother. And Hindus are very grateful and loving about it. (As a side note, the eating of cow flesh is considered so repulsive for the same reason- it's like eating your own mother)
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I know. Still...
I doubt at least most cows (if any at all) agree with giving their milk.
So to say, to make the consume of milk as fine as possible you would have to own a cow yourself and make her agree with giving her milk to you. I wonder how someone is gonna do that, but that is the only "correct" way.

Cows are treated really well by Hindus. They don't tend to resist being milked, it's just a normal part of their day. And I doubt she puts too much thought into the matter ;)
 

Satsangi

Active Member
Pranams to your mom and dad.

Thanks WY, but that was a custom. Still presently, some people routinely give grass to the cows in the morning before starting their day and some feed the poor (scores of them) with their fresh hot home-made food in the morning- daily and without any help from outside. Daan part of the Sanatana Dharma is very much alive.

Regards,
 

sentry

Member
maybe once upon a time, it was okay to consume cows milk
the cow would have been treated like a member of the family, it would be well taken care of, in the holy company of sages
so, the message handed down through tradition is that cows are sacred, and it's milk is to be revered

but times have changed.
It's milk is still revered, but cows are no longer respected
they're treated like milk producing machines
no longer are they in holy company
how convenient for humans.

I wonder what Krishna would say if someone asked him "what's more important, cow's milk or the happiness of the cow?"
Hindus must get their priorities in order.

how many hindus can afford to have their own cows and treat them in a respectful manner? hardly any.
If you can't give back to the cow, stop taking from it.

In my opinion, most hindus should adopt a vegan lifestyle.

what a tragedy. Once revered, roaming happily, in the blissful company of sages.
And today, under so much stress, greedy humans only wanting to make use of them.
teary-eyed cows must be wondering "where is Krishna?, what have we done to deserve this?"

hindus today.......
 

nameless

The Creator
Curious, nameless ji, is it mainly the "lower caste" Hindus who eat beef in Kerala, or do Brahmins or Kshatriyas do it too?

Odion Ji, :) Generally, all people except brahmins and kshatriyas consumes meat. Within Brahmins and Kshatriyas, few new-generation people eat beef occassionally during some parties or at hotels.
 
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