Are Hitler comparisons ever apt?

[Revoltingest]

Gross over simplication.

Without posting one of those TLTR screeds, it does the job.
But I say my scenario is a very accurate description of the
thought process behind calling Trump, Bush, etc, "Hitler".

Gross misrepresentation and painting anyone who does this in a broad brush. So try again.

How is anyone misrepresented?
No one has yet made an even remotely cogent & evidenced argument that Trump is Hitleresque.
So far, tis naught but vapid histrionics.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry. I'm just a bit angry and genuinely scared at the thought of a "President Trump". Hopefully it will pass.

I don't blame you.
They both have more than the usual risk to wreck things.

 

[wicketkeeper]

I once stood for election here in the UK, obviously I didn't succeed ! However I got an insight to 'their club'. The seat was won by Labour who are strong in working class areas, but now Labour is imploding with infighting. However what I discovered was that it matters not who wins the election because all major decisions are made by the Bilderberger group, Tavistock and a few other groups. The winners & opposition party are well paid for their roles, that is why we are descending into what certain believers call the End Times.

There is another controlling group, and they have a say in what takes place, but to say their name can bring attacks.

Being an observer of the Trump/Clinton panto is akin to watching a black comedy !!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, he hasn't invaded Mexico yet.
But it is pretty obvious who the main target of his nativist demagoguery is. To keep that narrative going he'll have to do something after the election.
How else will he make good on the promise that Mexico will pay for the wall?

You're expecting him to keep promises?
That one?
Even so, Hitler never did anything like that.

It would be different if I thought that Usonian people were too informed and ethical to support an invasion based on Trumped up nonsense.
But I remember 2002 and the build up to invading Iraq all too well.
Tom

Don't forget that Hillary is the one with the very hawkish record.
If the possibility of Trump invading anywhere makes him the next Hitler,
then she'd be Hitler on steroids. The "Hitler" charge just doesn't work.

 

[Iti oj]

Without posting one of those TLTR screeds, it does the job.
But I say my scenario is a very accurate description of the
thought process behind calling Trump, Bush, etc, "Hitler".

How is anyone misrepresented?
No one has yet made an even remotely cogent & evidenced argument that Trump is Hitleresque.
So far, tis naught but vapid histrionics.

I suggest looking at @LuisDantas post in this thread.

Again I repeat just because there are parallels in one area doesn't mean they are there in other areas.

Similarities to rhetoric doesn't mean he is going be doing a final solution

 

[columbus]

You're expecting him to keep promises?
That one?

How does one distinguish between the promises he plans on keeping and the ones he doesn't?
I support Clinton because I think her more plausible promises are good for the USA. Not because I believe everything that comes out of her piehole. She is not going to equalize pay between males and females, but it sounds good on the stump.
She has lots of other planks that are a good bit more plausible.
Trump has few of those. He isn't going to both cut taxes on the rich and also boost the rest of us. Bush already tried that and what we got was the Republican Recession of 2008. Nor is he going to deport millions of WalMart shoppers who work for low wages. The Koch bros won't let him.
But he will have to do something to remain relevant as president. Invading Mexico sounds like something right up his alley. Think of it as launching a lawsuit with high caliber weapons.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I suggest looking at @LuisDantas post in this thread.

Saw it....but no substance.

Again I repeat just because there are parallels in one area doesn't mean they are there in other areas.
Similarities to rhetoric doesn't mean he is going be doing a final solution

What are the parallels which are so significant & different from the other politicians who run for office?

 

[Revoltingest]

How does one distinguish between the promises he plans on keeping and the ones he doesn't?

Some are impossibly difficult, eg, making Mexico pay for the wall.
For others, you'll have to wait & see what happens.
Still this doesn't even remotely make him the next Hitler.

I support Clinton because I think her more plausible promises are good for the USA. Not because I believe everything that comes out of her piehole. She is not going to equalize pay between males and females, but it sounds good on the stump.
She has lots of other planks that are a good bit more plausible.
Trump has few of those. He isn't going to both cut taxes on the rich and also boost the rest of us. Bush already tried that and what we got was the Republican Recession of 2008. Nor is he going to deport millions of WalMart shoppers who work for low wages. The Koch bros won't let him.

So the Koch Bros run the country?
I thought George Soros did.
<snicker>
By now, you must know that I'll p**s all over any such conspiracy theories.

But he will have to do something to remain relevant as president. Invading Mexico sounds like something right up his alley. Think of it as launching a lawsuit with high caliber weapons.
Tom

"Sounds like" is not at all convincing.

Really, all you're giving me is that Trump is like Hitler because you can imagine him doing all sorts of horrible thing.
This is crazy.
The left said the same thing of GW Bush.
They were wrong then, & they're crazy once again.

 

[columbus]

Some are impossibly difficult, eg, making Mexico pay for the wall.

What do you suppose Trump's chances on the 8th would be if his base were well informed enough to see that?
1%?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

What do you suppose Trump's chances on the 8th would be if his base were well informed enough to see that?
1%?
Tom

I make no election outcome predictions.
But if Trump's voters were well informed, then Hillary's might wise up too.

 

[columbus]

Really, all you're giving me is that Trump is like Hitler because you can imagine him doing all sorts of horrible thing.
This is crazy.

The point to "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is not just some abstract concept.
It is not just being able to properly categorize Trump's invasion of Mexico later.

It is to see nativist demagoguery, and why Hitler invaded Poland. It is to see that Bush easily convinced the USA to invade Iraq.
And then put 2 and 2 together and not pick a Commander in Chief who combines the aspects of Hitler and Bush that have, in the past, resulted in gigantic disasters.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

The point to "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is not just some abstract concept.
It is not just being able to properly categorize Trump's invasion of Mexico later.

Do you seriously believe that Trump might invade Mexico?

It is to see nativist demagoguery, and why Hitler invaded Poland. It is to see that Bush easily convinced the USA to invade Iraq.
Tom

And Hillary was also behind the Iraq invasion.
(She voted for it in Congress.)
So using that invasion as evidence that Trump might
be the next Hitler is both ironic & unbelievable.

 

[columbus]

I make no election outcome predictions.

Is this because you are a wienie who avoids inconvenient facts? Or is there a reason that I don't understand but you will explain?
Tom

 

[columbus]

Do you seriously believe that Trump might invade Mexico?

Yes.
I have learned from history that nativist demagoguery can result in ill fated invasions and the USA people are ripe for doing it.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Is this because you are a wienie who avoids inconvenient facts?

No....I'm a very direct wienie.
But don't confuse dubious opinions with facts.

Or is there a reason that I don't understand but you will explain?
Tom

Perhaps you don't understand because you're too committed to painting Trump as Hitler.
The lack of argument & evidence to support this leads to frustration.

 

[columbus]

And Hillary was also behind the Iraq invasion.

So was my dad and a lot of otherwise good people in this country.
I am quite aware of the violent tendencies of this country and Trump's willingness to play on them.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes.
I have learned from history that nativist demagoguery can result in ill fated invasions and the USA people are ripe for doing it.
Tom

That's a very general claim which can't be refuted.
But it hardly justifies the Trump & Hitler claims.

 

[Revoltingest]

So was my dad and a lot of otherwise good people in this country.
I am quite aware of the violent tendencies of this country and Trump's willingness to play on them.
Tom

A lot of people are fine with unjustified war.
Hillary is one of them.
This does not mean that Trump will be like her or Hitler.

 

[columbus]

The lack of argument & evidence to support this leads to frustration.

I point out that nativist demagoguery in Germany resulted in WWII. And that Dubya easily led this country into a disastrous war based on lies.

But you don't see that as evidence that Trump could do the same thing next year. What do you expect in the way of evidence?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I point out that nativist demagoguery in Germany resulted in WWII. And that Dubya easily led this country into a disastrous war based on lies.
But you don't see that as evidence that Trump could do the same thing next year. What do you expect in the way of evidence?
Tom

This isn't evidence that Trump would behave like Hitler.
I don't know what you could provide as evidence that Trump is the next one.
But one could just as easily compare Hillary to Hitler.
Both are hawks.
Both pandered to the fears & wants of voters.
But you'd never accept these parallels, would you?