Are Homosexuals going to Hell?

[Jainarayan]

Vanakkam,

First of all : gay/trans/bisexual/whatever people don't all live carefree and hedonistic lifestyle. Few do many don't. Not different than any heterowhatever person.

Second: my God does not care what I do in my privacy and with who. My religion don't care either. So why should I ?

Aum Namah Shivaya

And besides, we don't believe in Hell.

 

[columbus]

Is it a sin to deny the sexual act that perpetuates the species,

What about gay people who don't?
My partner of over 20 years has 4 kids and a passel of grand babies. He is everybody's Papaw Doug, including the step grand babies. The kids all love him.

How does that fit into Scriptural morality?
Tom

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

If you can keep your tirades to a dull scream, and within one paragragh, your opinion might be noted.

I can tell you don't like me, which I find satisfying in a way. You can even insult me if you like - I'd never "report" anyone under any circumstances. Even the mere presence of the button imparts a sense of pettiness and cowardice to my mind.

 

[Jainarayan]

First there would need to be a hell. As far as I have seen/heard/read there is absolutely no good reason to believe such a place exists.

I personally don't believe in Hell, but you really can't deny the compelling evidence here: The Well to Hell hoax - Wikipedia

Oh wait, it's a hoax.

 

[Skwim]

It all comes from hanging out with gay animals, birds and insects. Parents just did not do their job keeping the kids away from gay ducks and such.

AND, some parents even push their kids in certain directions. Think of Norman Bates or . . . .

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[Grumpuss]

Is this the game where we all pretend that homosexual men and women, transsexuals and bisexuals have "relations" with plants? Sure sounds like a statement that was come to by a roll of the dice...

Look, these practices exist:

What It’s Like to Date a Horse
Denmark's Bestiality Problem: It's Legal
Zoophilia and the law - Wikipedia
Dendrophilia (paraphilia) - Wikipedia

I didn't invent such things. All I said was that presumably, some large portion of such groups believe in a higher power. Whether or not they think they're doing anything "wrong" or deviant, do you think they're going to their (or your own) version of Hell?

Nah, just the game where we provisionally accept certain Christian claims in order to keep the ball rolling.

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I don't believe I said anything about "Christian"...

 

[Grumpuss]

I wonder what god thinks of those who are aren't really certain themselves and unsure and needing to try different things out?
And it makes me wonder, who would god find more repulsive? An LBGT person who renounces Christianity over the way they were treated in the church, or the Christians who inflicted such torment (even though, hypothetically, they have repented of all sins). Does god ever say sorry to such people who were turned away?

Me having major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, OCD-tendencies, have Asperger's, and sleeping tends to be a bit difficult for me, so it's kind of a checkmate against thinking my life is carefree hedonism. And that's before I add in things like "unemployed." And ultimately I find hedonism foolish and ultimately a futile pursuit anyways.

Inevitably, some people will choose what is easy over what is right.

Nothing should stop people from seeking god.
Dont be anti christiqn because you think your going to hell, etc

Good point.

 

[ChristineM]

As many homosexual men and women, as well as those who are transsexual, bisexual, have relations with animals and plants, it is entirely possible, even likely that many of them maintain a personal belief in God. They may even form a devout connection to their divine gods, though it may not necessarily involve the same acceptance or repugnance you feel at learning of such lifestyles.

How one conducts himself/herself in life would therefore follow some kind of path to salvation, whether it be an Abrahamic God, Hindu pantheon, Buddhist spirit, etc. It would follow for those believers who are not living gods, that the rules were designed by others and we can not rewrite them to suit our own subject experience of judgment of ourselves. Being good and chaste and procreating as we are told the god(s) of our faith want can and will clash against what many consider to be impure, disgusting, abominable and a sin against nature. While we hope and expect we have kind and merciless deities to at least partially absolve us when mental derangement is a mitigating factor, what is the effect upon our immortal souls and/or spiritual afterlife when we consciously make deviant choices that are offensive to the faiths?

He's with the angels now?

Please know that what one religion may consider foul and sin-worthy can be quite different than what another may consider tolerable. I am not looking for any rants explaining why one religion's worldview is superior to all others, or how unreasonable or immoral you may personally consider the habits of heathens to be. It's always complicated. Myself, I believe this is a question left up to God to judge who shall be rewarded with bliss and who is damned. To pass judgment on others for what happens in the afterlife, is to speak for God, and is a sin. But we can of course keep asking questions and try to live well, free from chaos.

Is it a sin to deny the sexual act that perpetuates the species, and instead live a life where sexual hedonism is openly embraced for pure enjoyment? And to what extent are the machinations of demons (if you believe in their influence) to be blamed or mitigated against?

Relations with animals and plants? Wow someone really turned the hate switch in that one.

Must be a religious trait.

 

[ChristineM]

Look, these practices exist:

What It’s Like to Date a Horse
Denmark's Bestiality Problem: It's Legal
Zoophilia and the law - Wikipedia
Dendrophilia (paraphilia) - Wikipedia

I didn't invent such things. All I said was that presumably, some large portion of such groups believe in a higher power. Whether or not they think they're doing anything "wrong" or deviant, do you think they're going to their (or your own) version of Hell?

I don't believe I said anything about "Christian"...

And how do they effect you personally?

 

[Grumpuss]

And besides, we don't believe in Hell.

Yes. But you can appreciate that other people do...?

What about gay people who don't?
My partner of over 20 years has 4 kids and a passel of grand babies. He is everybody's Papaw Doug, including the step grand babies. The kids all love him.

How does that fit into Scriptural morality?
Tom

Are you asking about my own, or a meta analysis of all faiths' concept of salvation? I would say he seems like a convoluted character, or at least has led a somewhat convoluted life. Someone who is "gay" typically doesn't have multiple children.

What people think of someone or how much they love him doesn't really fit into the framework of the question. Many Christians who believe in an Antichrist figure expect someone who is amazingly charismatic, for example.

 

[Grumpuss]

And how do they effect you personally?

*affect

And I am not presenting an opinion on people who have sex with same genders, animals, plants or inanimate objects.

 

[idav]

Nah, just the game where we provisionally accept certain Christian claims in order to keep the ball rolling.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

What the hell does being LGBT have to do with zoophilia and such? You just randomly threw a bunch of things together.

 

[Fool]

I assume all of this is found in the OT in the book of Grimm (as in the Brothers Grimm), chapter something-or-other. Care to share the particulars?

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shiva


Hospitalized Man Learns He's Intersex

 

[Grumpuss]

What the hell does being LGBT have to do with zoophilia and such? You just randomly threw a bunch of things together.

I did not. Many devout people of multiple different faiths have done so in a hetero-normative vs. deviant way. Me calling attention to it doesn't give me ownership of this old, old argument.

 

[Baroodi]

anything deviating from the normal paths of nature is odd and abnormal and not right. anything deviating from from authentic revelations is sinful.

 

[ChristineM]

*affect

And I am not presenting an opinion on people who have sex with same genders, animals, plants or inanimate objects.

*effect, i am asking how you are influenced, not how you influance

You are the op are you not?

 

[ChristineM]

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[Grumpuss]

*effect, i am asking how you are influenced, not how you influance

You are the op are you not?

Your question was: "And how do they effect you personally?"

Your grammar is wrong is every sense in that usage:
Affect vs. Effect Grammar Rules



Oh, and *influence

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Inevitably, some people will choose what is easy over what is right.

Yup. And, for me, staying the course with god would have been easier, and certainly safer, but the right was for me to move on away from god and abandon hope of the "normal" life. It's not easy when you realize you pretty much have to carve out your own path in life (and not just talk about doing it), but sometimes death is preferable to the safe and easy thing to do.