Grumpuss
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God has no official spokesperson.This sentence is simply not true.
I don't think you qualify as an official spokesperson for God.
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God has no official spokesperson.This sentence is simply not true.
I don't think you qualify as an official spokesperson for God.
Nevertheless, lots of humans think that they are.God has no official spokesperson.
I can't help but notice that you contradicted me, but not @Kemosloby .God has no official spokesperson.
You appear to be having some difficulty with reading comprehension. I have not focused on Christianity, and you have no reason to insist that I have. Look at the words I wrote -- not the words you think I might have been trying to hide.Again, why so focused on Christianity? The world's religious population is majority non-Christian.
Perhaps its because, to me, the very idea of "salvation" is 100% meaningless.This isn't about Christians trying to cure homosexuality. It was a general question about salvation and the rules of self-examination by the devout across diverse religious groups. As I said, the example could have been murder or torture. Yet oddly, you hone in on homosexuality and Christians.
Oh, so it's anger at God.
How did you get the idea that this was a thread about Christian intolerance of homosexuality?
That's alarming, and even terrifying, that this is what you think would be going on if no one followed your god. But, it's always the religious sorts like Christians saying this, but yet non-theists do just fine. Is it really everyone who needs this god and his "law," or is it Christians that need it to give them reason to not do terrible things? Me, I have no god and I've never done heroin, nor have I ever been with a prostitute, let alone a donkey prostitute. Why would I do those things?Otherwise, people would just be high on heroin and banging hired donkey prostitutes 24 hours a day...
Fully on your side on this post. It is ceaselessly amazing to me that people who think they behave morally and rightly because of their religious beliefs assume that those of us without those beliefs could not do the same.That's alarming, and even terrifying, that this is what you think would be going on if no one followed your god. But, it's always the religious sorts like Christians saying this, but yet non-theists do just fine. Is it really everyone who needs this god and his "law," or is it Christians that need it to give them reason to not do terrible things? Me, I have no god and I've never done heroin, nor have I ever been with a prostitute, let alone a donkey prostitute. Why would I do those things?
Or maybe they weren't actually set by god but rather by mere men who presumed to act and speak on god's behalf, and people abandoned them because they were irrational and arbitrary?Why would gods set rules, only for their followers to abandon them later, because it was inconvenient for them, and then fail to judge them, as promised?
Would you considered married heterosexual couples who engage in sexual activity without the intention to reproduce to be self-gratifying deviants?The question was whether such people believe in their salvation, even as they commit large portions of their lives towards sexual self-gratification.
What?! Who cares if I respond to him directly?I can't help but notice that you contradicted me, but not @Kemosloby .
It's like the Muslims who don't personally advocate violence, but don't contradict the ones who do, because they all agree that the Qur'an is true.
Tom
I am not a sinner just because you have a book that says I am.
How odd. You keep bringing it up.You appear to be having some difficulty with reading comprehension. I have not focused on Christianity, and you have no reason to insist that I have. Look at the words I wrote -- not the words you think I might have been trying to hide.
No doubt. Can you at least rationalize that it has some meaning to others?Perhaps its because, to me, the very idea of "salvation" is 100% meaningless.
A rather tangential argument. The concept of an immortal soul doesn't exclude having a limited lifetime on this plane of existence.Consider what you were doing and feeling when the dinosaurs ruled, or when Gilgamesh was King of Uruk, or when Cheops built the Great Pyramid, Rome conquered most of the known world, then lost it to heathens, then later to Muslims. Consider how you were impacted by the reign of Elizabeth I of England, or Abraham Lincoln. Simply, you have nothing to do with any of that because there was no YOU. You did not exist, period. You didn't feel it, notice it or anything else.
And that will happen again, when you die. "Salvation" will not prevent your death and the absolute extinction of that special "spirit" that makes you you. If you truly want to live a spiritual life, learn that one truth, and then life the only life you have with all the honesty, integrity, joy and full involvement that you can muster up.
Meditation and prayer is pretty much exclusively about self-examination. One doesn't even need to be religious to do it.Otherwise, you will have wasted it. And that would be a shame -- as it will for all the billions of people chasing after-lives at the expense of the only existence they will ever know. Living a lie can never be "spiritual."
And may I point out something else to you, as well. "Self-examination" isn't something that religion can help you with. It insists on the existence of a truth that you must uphold, no matter what your "self-examination" reveals to you. That is how many of us escaped that trap.
When did I say one has to follow my god? When did I ever say this was about Christians?That's alarming, and even terrifying, that this is what you think would be going on if no one followed your god. But, it's always the religious sorts like Christians saying this, but yet non-theists do just fine. Is it really everyone who needs this god and his "law," or is it Christians that need it to give them reason to not do terrible things? Me, I have no god and I've never done heroin, nor have I ever been with a prostitute, let alone a donkey prostitute. Why would I do those things?
It's your only source that proclaims me a sinner. Just because your book says I'm sinner doesn't make me a sinner. The alleged words of your god do not make me a sinner either.My book doesn't make you a sinner.
Nor did J R R Tolkien's book make Gandalf a wizard.My book doesn't make you a sinner.
Why would you think something as powerful as God would be interested in base sexual pleasures and how many piercings you have in your ding-dong? It's like Patriots fans' thinking that God is making their team win? He doesn't get anything out of it, just because you do.
I sincerely doubt you know for sure if God is fornicating with other same sex gods, hermaphroditic gods, gods with mutilated genitalia, divine beasts or inanimate objects. But feel free to prove me wrong.
Sounds obsessive. But hey, tell me- do you think God would approve of people molesting horses or sodomizing trees, just because some men do?