Are Men and Women Normally Equal?

[Smart_Guy]

Hi all.

This thread is about the general sense. Specific/special cases are excluded.

All related discussions I know of of this subject took place within other contexts of different subject. I want to know the public opinion on it specifically.

Please do not debate in this thread. If you have a different opinion or view than someone else's, please state them without quoting or giving references. If you want to debate, start a new thread for that in a debating section. Quoting is only allowed to ask for clarifications, and without commenting on the answers.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Edit:
The third option includes "equal but different" in it's meaning.

 

[LuisDantas]

Obviously, there is a difference and it should be acknowledged. But there is little consensus on what follows from that.

It seems to me that discussion of equality between genders really needs a lot of explicit paramenters for said equality.

 

[Jumi]

Equal, but different.

 

[Laika]

Voted "They are equal in things and not equal in things". I hesitate to go so far as "they are perfectly equal", as men and women are different. how far that is due to biology and to sociology is highly debatable. However, both men and women possess "free will" and in a liberal ideology, the equal capacity for natural rights. In a more Marxist ideology, they both possess the capacity for mental and physical labour and are therefore equal in terms of their ability to contribute to society. it's complicated, but there is common agreement that they are equal in rights.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I want to know the public opinion on it specifically..

Depends what you mean by equal .. an apple does not equal an orange

Both men and women should be treated equally when it comes to human rights .. even then, it's difficult as classically man has been provider for women as they are subject to becoming pregnant

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Men and women seem to be pretty equal in their self perception of overestimating their own abilities and positive qualities.

 

[Estro Felino]

They have equal rights, but they are the exact opposite of one another. So I would say they are not equal (that is, they are different).

Nice thread.

 

[LuisDantas]

"Exact opposite" by certain yardsticks, I assume? Not by others?

 

[Aquitaine]

Obviously, biologically we are different. However we should be equal in terms of rights.

 

[LuisDantas]

Obviously, biologically we are different. However we should be equal in terms of rights.

Including, for instance, elegibility for having the guard of children when a divorce happens? Military participation and/or excusability? Absence periods from one's job due to birth? Separate bathrooms?

Which differences in rights, if any, do you see as being inherent to the biological differences? Do you think any should or could exist?

 

[DawudTalut]

Hi all.

This thread is about the general sense. Specific/special cases are excluded.

All related discussions I know of of this subject took place within other contexts of different subject. I want to know the public opinion on it specifically.

Please do not debate in this thread. If you have a different opinion or view than someone else's, please state them without quoting or giving references. If you want to debate, start a new thread for that in a debating section. Quoting is only allowed to ask for clarifications, and without commenting on the answers.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Edit:
The third option includes "equal but different" in it's meaning.

Peace be on you.
1=
Physically:
XX chromosomes in female.
XY chromosomes in male.
So there is similarity and there is difference at basic level.

2=
Soul-wise:
Believer can be a male or female.


Extra: https://www.genderselectionauthority.com/low-tech-methods-of-gender-selection/diets

 

[Sunstone]

It seems to me that men and women are far, far more alike than they are different, and that their differences are almost always of a statistical variety. That is, where there are genuine differences between men and women, those differences are only noticeable as the extremes of mostly over-lapping bell curves. For instance, the fast 5% of men might be faster than all women, and the slowest 5% of women might be slower than all men, but the fastest women are faster than 95% of all men, etc.

 

[Aquitaine]

Including, for instance, elegibility for having the guard of children when a divorce happens? Military participation and/or excusability? Absence periods from one's job due to birth? Separate bathrooms?

Which differences in rights, if any, do you see as being inherent to the biological differences? Do you think any should or could exist?

I agree with all of them, however I'm tempted to draw an exception with military participation in the case of an emergency.

On a side not, I think if men were offerred the same parental leave as women, it would make them equally as "expensive" from an employer's perspective, which I think would reduce discrimination against women being hired.

 

[LuisDantas]

I have recently read that Sweden does just that.

 

[morphesium]

At first voted the first option - They are equal. Then recasted the third one.
They should have equal rights and they have equal (average) intelligence. (I am not consdiering physical differences here -strength, stamina etc). Psychologically there are differences - but since "all men are created equal" ; if one on average, happened to score less in one "test" will score more in the other.

Got this information from watching TV (I guess). This is usually how it happens.

If a man is to wear a shirt, he would first enter his right hand into the shirt.
If a woman is to wear a shirt, she would first enter her left hand into the shirt.​

So isn't there a difference?

By the way, I remember my (late) uncle who wore his shirt this way to conserve time :- He used to wear his (pre-buttoned except the first two) shirt with both the hands entering the shirt (from the bottom) at the same time .

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hi all.

This thread is about the general sense. Specific/special cases are excluded.

All related discussions I know of of this subject took place within other contexts of different subject. I want to know the public opinion on it specifically.

Please do not debate in this thread. If you have a different opinion or view than someone else's, please state them without quoting or giving references. If you want to debate, start a new thread for that in a debating section. Quoting is only allowed to ask for clarifications, and without commenting on the answers.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Edit:
The third option includes "equal but different" in it's meaning.

Each person is unique.

For any measurable characteristic, no man is equal to any other man, no woman is equal to any other woman, and no man is equal to any woman or vice versa.

For most traits, there's a typical range for men and women, but the variation for men and women is greater than the difference between the averages for men and women. Also, some individuals fall outside the typical range.

In general, the "average" man is not a good representation of any specific man, and the "average" woman is not a good representation of any specific woman.

 

[Thief]

there is a feminine counterpart for every masculine.
the equal numbers are not there.

 

[Thief]

Each person is unique.

I will hold you to this at some other time

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hi all.

This thread is about the general sense. Specific/special cases are excluded.

All related discussions I know of of this subject took place within other contexts of different subject. I want to know the public opinion on it specifically.

Please do not debate in this thread. If you have a different opinion or view than someone else's, please state them without quoting or giving references. If you want to debate, start a new thread for that in a debating section. Quoting is only allowed to ask for clarifications, and without commenting on the answers.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Edit:
The third option includes "equal but different" in it's meaning.

"Equal but different" Sounds like "separate but equal"

I believe men and women are the same or equal. They have the same rights as their opposite party. Same ability to express abstract feelings. Both have ten fingers and ten toes. Both can think.

I honestly can't see how they can be unequal. I guess being a minority, I'm not really akeen to separating people based on gender, race, class, etc...

Anyway, that's my view. Carry on.

 

[Quintessence]

I voted no, but it depends on what is meant by "equal." My brain defaulted to "exactly and precisely identical" which is impossible for anything in this reality regardless of what one is talking about. Put another way, we can always distinguish between object A and object B either spatially or temporally and usually by both qualities.