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Are muslim extremists enemies of humanity?

JRMcC

Active Member
As for slandering on news stations, that would require their statements to be proved false. Can you give any examples of this, where US politicians have made slanderous statements against the leaders of other nations? Remember, they must be proven false.4
I'm not quite sure how either of us would be able to prove much. Have a look at the debate between Noam Chomsky and Allan Dershowitz over Israel. These are two well known intellectuals discussing history and global politics, and in the end what it comes down to one guy's word over the other's. Did the US do this in 19 o' fill in the blank? How can it be proven, I don't know.
Anyway I'll try to answer your question. However "evil" the governments of Russia and China might be, I'm not convinced that they're a threat to the world. Are they threats to us? Well maybe, but remember we're also threats to them. WHich one of us has military stationed literally all over the world? It's deeply, deeply hypocritical to say that Russia and China are threats to us when he have a monopoly on military strength like that.

As far the Ukraine incident, I do not buy the narrative that I see on CNN. I think the truth is somewhere between the American and Russian narrative. There can be no doubt that there are plenty of people in eastern Ukraine who do not want to be part of the new Ukraine government. I think there is good reason for ethnic Russians to be afraid of right sector, and the separatists obviously do want Russia's support. So I don't see how the Ukraine incident indicates that Russia is a threat, but maybe you're not saying that.
Just to touch on Iran, the popular idea that Iran's government is crazy and well destroy itself with a nuke is ridiculous and dangerous. Prove it wrong? That can't be proven.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I'm not quite sure how either of us would be able to prove much. Have a look at the debate between Noam Chomsky and Allan Dershowitz over Israel. These are two well known intellectuals discussing history and global politics, and in the end what it comes down to one guy's word over the other's. Did the US do this in 19 o' fill in the blank? How can it be proven, I don't know.
Anyway I'll try to answer your question. However "evil" the governments of Russia and China might be, I'm not convinced that they're a threat to the world. Are they threats to us? Well maybe, but remember we're also threats to them. WHich one of us has military stationed literally all over the world? It's deeply, deeply hypocritical to say that Russia and China are threats to us when he have a monopoly on military strength like that.

As far the Ukraine incident, I do not buy the narrative that I see on CNN. I think the truth is somewhere between the American and Russian narrative. There can be no doubt that there are plenty of people in eastern Ukraine who do not want to be part of the new Ukraine government. I think there is good reason for ethnic Russians to be afraid of right sector, and the separatists obviously do want Russia's support. So I don't see how the Ukraine incident indicates that Russia is a threat, but maybe you're not saying that.
Just to touch on Iran, the popular idea that Iran's government is crazy and well destroy itself with a nuke is ridiculous and dangerous. Prove it wrong? That can't be proven.
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If you look at the table above, you can see that the US is not that far ahead of China and Russia. We certainly do not have a "monopoly on military power" in the world. Russia has been building up their forces recently, and China is always on the move. China has a bigger army than us, Russia has more tanks, Russia has over a thousand more nuclear warheads than the US, etc. I don't think it is fair to say that there is a very big difference in the military size of these countries.
 

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Theweirdtophat

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Extremists in general are enemies not JUST Muslim extremists. People focus so much on Muslim extremists, they often ignore other radicals that have done horrible things in the name of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and so forth.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
It's not about who's more of a bad guy, it's about who is actually hurting stability and peace (I mean Noam Chomsky would have a lot to say about the US being bad guys, but whatever). Antagonizing Russia is very dangerous to world peace. You don't agree? Pushing our own agenda... Well getting rid of Saddam Hussein was on our agenda but look what happened. Everyone acts in their own nation interest but we seem to do the best job at inflicting harm on the world when we do it. ISIS obviously inflicts a lot of harm, but at least it's contained geographically, and at least they haven't been doing it for decades like the US has.

Just because Russia threatens stability to world peace doesn't mean a nation can't oppose its ideals. Russia dissolved itself and released some of its satellite nations like Ukraine. Now, it is re-establishing it's previous borders through a proxy war. China is basically doing the same by expanding its control in the asian seas having multiple conflicts with other Asian nations. Not to mention, both Russia and China have very poor track record of human rights. Russia openly promotes discrimination to homosexuality. And China promotes censorship.

Hey, if you believe in something, you speak up and you fight for what you think is right. You don't back down because you fear instability in the community. If our human rights activists followed your dogma, there would have been no action for blacks and minorities.

I agree with you concerning Iraq and Hussein. That war was wrong, but I disagree with other actions of the US. US promotes Democracy, uncensorship, civil rights and especially Freedom. No nation is ideal so, yes, it works strategically to ensure that certain resources are not a bottle neck in its operations.

ISIS is contained because there are other forces that actively containing them. Left to their own devices, who knows what further territories they would want to conquer.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Extremists in general are enemies not JUST Muslim extremists. People focus so much on Muslim extremists, they often ignore other radicals that have done horrible things in the name of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and so forth.
Can you give some examples in the recent past where terrorists have claimed to be killing in the name of Judaism, Christianity, or Hinduism? Obviously, things like "the Crusades" were thousands of years ago, so they aren't really a fair comparison.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Extremists in general are enemies not JUST Muslim extremists. People focus so much on Muslim extremists, they often ignore other radicals that have done horrible things in the name of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and so forth.
Please provide examples of extremists of other kinds who are currently destroying world heritage sites, carrying out genocides, and engaging in slavery.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
And the International Banker-conspiracy, right? And the Rothschilds?

Grow the **** up.

Yes of course, international bankers like them who have funded wars and made a profit on it aren't bad right? But no I guess those that think that are just crazy conspiracy theorists. Remember the government has never lied before and if you question it, you're a kooky conspiracy theorist.

You do know that if someone has the money they have the power and own a lot of media. Also, don't ever tell people to grow up, especially when using profanity. You don't help your case and it's rude. In fact you do that a lot and I don't know how you're not banned yet.
 
The biggest threat to world peace are the zionists.

Only the other day I got so pissed off at Israel that I was forced to invade Syria and destroy 3000 year old sites of immense historical significance. Was still angry enough to behead a few people for sorcery and throw some gays off a tall building too.

Anyway, I think America would have to take the mantle of biggest threat to world peace anyway given its recent record.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Yes of course, international bankers like them who have funded wars and made a profit on it aren't bad right? But no I guess those that think that are just crazy conspiracy theorists. Remember the government has never lied before and if you question it, you're a kooky conspiracy theorist.

You do know that if someone has the money they have the power and own a lot of media. Also, don't ever tell people to grow up, especially when using profanity. You don't help your case and it's rude. In fact you do that a lot and I don't know how you're not banned yet.
I didn't realize "****" was a curse ...
 

JFish123

Active Member
Yes. I think that all "extremist" groups, whether they be Fundamentalist Christians, ISIS, Al-Shaabab, Hamas, etc. are all enemies of humanity.

Fundamentalist Christians are the same as ISIS as being engines of humanity?
If you belittle a Christian or their religion, do you end up without a head?
Remember the Kevin Smith movie "Dogma" that bashed the Christian religion?
Can you remember all the people the Catholics beheaded for that? I can't
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
If we have a disease running through the population we try to destroy that disease, and that is what I belive should be done with extremists of any belief system.
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
Islamic extremism, islamist, are a danger to humanity. ..so is capitalism, global warming, overpopulation, etc
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
Yes the worse end of humanity.
All our government's kill children really don't see a difference.
Look what happens to children of Iraq ,Syria ,Palastine on a daily basis .Life for those children is extreme .They are the next generation of what we refer to as terrorists .
Fancy loosing all your family at breakfast a rogue drone crashes into your house.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
All our government's kill children really don't see a difference.
Look what happens to children of Iraq ,Syria ,Palastine on a daily basis .Life for those children is extreme .They are the next generation of what we refer to as terrorists .
Fancy loosing all your family at breakfast a rogue drone crashes into your house.
Don't get me wrong, I agree, but still an eye for an eye just doesn't work.
 
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