psychoslice
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It really doesn't matter how we look at it, killing innocent people is wrong, that goes for either side.
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Are muslim extremists enemies of humanity?
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leibowde84
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I never said that Fundamentalist Christians are the same or equal to ISIS. You are merely putting words into my mouth in an attempt to belittle me. I merely said that Fundamentalist Christians who participate in terrorism are enemies of humanity. Do you disagree with this statement? If so, why?
I was merely pointing out that terrorists, no matter which religion they claim adherence to, are enemies of humanity.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
hu·man·i·ty
(h)yo͞oˈmanədē/
noun
- the human race; human beings collectively.
"appalling crimes against humanity"
synonyms: humankind, mankind, man, people,human beings, humans, the human race, mortals;
Homo sapiens
"Africa is home to one-sixth of humanity" - humaneness; benevolence.
"he praised them for their standards of humanity, care, and dignity"
synonyms: compassion, brotherly love,fraternity, fellow feeling,philanthropy, humaneness,kindness, consideration,understanding, sympathy, tolerance;More
Yes, of course. All civilized people have a duty to exterminate them.
No, they are subhuman trash.
gsa
Well-Known Member
The only issue I have with that graphic is that it seems to omit the role of military contractors and the exports industry. Also I don't think that it encapsulates the full intelligence budget, which has been subcontracted into hell.
That said, while I don't think that anyone should have any illusions or rosy view of the US military role in the world, and ever mindful of the absurdly aggressive and uncalled for Iraq War, I would not confuse the US with most of its antagonists or its Mideast allies for that matter. Particularly given how much of their spending is directed inward.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Honestly, isn't this whole side conversation about the role of modernized nations a distraction from the original intent of the OP?
I don't think anyone is saying here that national policy doesn't need a lot of work. And there were certainly some valuable human artifacts lost from the national museum in Iraq when it was left unprotected after the invasion. But the question directly addresses whether or not these terrorists are simply enemies of humanity, hell-bent on destruction of anything that doesn't directly agree with their view of reality.
I don't see the US of Russia openly posting videos online of beheadings and other heinous acts just because someone doesn't agree with democratic ideals...
I don't think anyone is saying here that national policy doesn't need a lot of work. And there were certainly some valuable human artifacts lost from the national museum in Iraq when it was left unprotected after the invasion. But the question directly addresses whether or not these terrorists are simply enemies of humanity, hell-bent on destruction of anything that doesn't directly agree with their view of reality.
I don't see the US of Russia openly posting videos online of beheadings and other heinous acts just because someone doesn't agree with democratic ideals...
gsa
Well-Known Member
Yes, we should do everything within reasonable limits that we can to defeat them. And that begins with their gulf-based funding sources, in my opinion.
The reason for this is partly for their own good in the aggregate. The sad truth is that if there is a WMD attack by Islamists, on any western city, it will be a nightmare for everyone involved. If people thought that the US was belligerent after 9/11, imagine what would happen if there was an incident that managed to kill 10,000 people, or more. The call for revenge would be so overwhelming that 9/11 would be a pleasant memory. It would not only be a nightmare for us, in terms of the loss of civil liberties and the death toll, but it would be guaranteed death for thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions, of people in regions associated with Islamism.
The reason for this is partly for their own good in the aggregate. The sad truth is that if there is a WMD attack by Islamists, on any western city, it will be a nightmare for everyone involved. If people thought that the US was belligerent after 9/11, imagine what would happen if there was an incident that managed to kill 10,000 people, or more. The call for revenge would be so overwhelming that 9/11 would be a pleasant memory. It would not only be a nightmare for us, in terms of the loss of civil liberties and the death toll, but it would be guaranteed death for thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions, of people in regions associated with Islamism.
There are many religions had extremists .The Muslims had more extremist for now.
I am against keep involving the West in Muslims issues , not everyone have duty to defeat ,its duty of Muslims , we will take care with them .
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
Well the Lords resistance army comes to mind in Uganda which is a christian terrorist group. The kingdom of Israel was a Jewish terrorist group. Babbar khalsa is a Sikh nationalist movement involved in terrorist activities. The national liberation front of Tripura is another Christian terrorist group. You see, the are non Muslim terrorist groups but they don't count right? The lives they took don't count because they aren't on the headlines right? People really need to look at themselves before they judge others. People are just looking for reasons to hate Muslims. Those terrorists don't represent Islam. Hundreds of millions of Muslim s don't do what they do.
There are Muslims that do condemn the violence but the ignorant people are saying "Muslims don't condemn terrorism!" So loud they can't hear the muslims that are condemning it. I know enough there is good and evil in all of us, Muslim and non Muslim alike. Don't tell me you don't like them because they have messed up stuff in the Quran. Yeah, because there aren't messed up stuff in the Torah and new testament right? Even some of the Hindu texts have disturbing things. But religions today aren't the same as they were years ago. You judge a person on their actions, not because of a book written thousands of years ago.
It's time we wake up and look at the whole picture. Looking with a narrow minded view gives you a narrow minded perspective.
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JustWondering
Jerk
The greatest common heritage of humanity is violence and bloodshed driven by greed and powerlust. Humanity seems to be wired to thrive on conflict. Even if every muslim extremist magically disappeared overnight how long before someone else steps up to take their place? It is our own nature that is our worst enemy.
cguittard1
New Member
Well, America does a fair bit of indiscriminately killing their own citizens.
There's a BIG difference between the New Testament and the Quran. BIG difference between Jesus and Muhammad
Look the founders of the religions. These so called "Christian" terrorist groups you say are not doing nor following what Jesus said or did. So how can they be Christian? Anyone can call themselves anything but it doesn't make it so. Now are muslims who are in ISIS doing what Muhammad did? Read the Quran and you'll know the answer to that one.
You're probably referring to specific police activity that unwarrented used deadly force. I will agree with you there. The question is will America reprimand those involved and will correct this, as opposed to allowing and justify it...
cguittard1
New Member
I wish I could say they wouldn't justify it. Lately, with all of the summary executions when there isn't a life in jeopardy... it is American sharia law.
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
The Muslims that follow Isis aren't Muslims either. People love to point out the bad parts in the Quran but completely ignore good parts. The Quran already stated there us no compulsion in the religion, one shouldn't torture or kill innocents or livestock either. Muhammad was fighting against Arab pagans who were oppressing them. Not all of Islam was spread by the sword as some countries adopted it or influenced by it at least. Same with Christianity. With the holy books, I don't think it's God's word, but humans interpreting God's word.
Despite their heinous crimes, no one has the authority to claim they are not Muslims. They testify that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is His messenger. I am really against this tendency by Muslims or Non-Muslims to label whoever they wish non-believers of their religion just because they commit crimes...any crimes
Muhammad nicknamed his weapons, calling one death. He beheaded 800 people with his own sword, had men tortured until he got what he wanted, etc...
After leaving Mecca, Muhammad supported his religion by robbing people.
Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.
The Qur'an commands Muslims to violently subjugate Jews and Christians
The Qur'an contains numerous false stories that were plagiarized from other sources.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN
Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.
It's all in the Quran, Hadith etc...
Anyone can look this up. The Quran and Muhammad are different then the bible and Jesus