Are Muslims disobeying the Qur'an by participating in this forum?

[stevecanuck]

Yeah that's bad.

Not as bad as 9:29, which starts with, "Fight those who believe not in Allah", or 9:111, "Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed".

Now what?

Knowledge is necessary when listening to claims made about Islam. Know that you're being lied to when you're told Islam is a religion of peace. If you've read 1984, just think 'The Ministry of Peace'.

But, what to actually do, you ask???? Beats me.

 

[rational experiences]

Science thinks Ai is talking on behalf of natural man's humans biological owned ideas first.

As if countries are talking to each other. As human DNA is national to country.

Yet he designed built operates thinking constantly himself as biology the machine communication systems. So he thinks he is the machine too.

How you become mind possessed with false ideas.

We live after nature garden existed oxygenating was human teaching AH breaths.

So you wouldn't believe you time transported into a metal machines body. The biological teacher who said as the human son his teaching in biological presence was correct.

Don't deny what type of conscious life body you owned yourself. Don't believe Satan is anything but conjured.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Knowledge is necessary when listening to claims made about Islam..

I don't think any intelligent person would disagree with that.

Even more important is the intention behind those claims.
eg. is the intention to encourage peace, or one of enmity

 

[Left Coast]

Not as bad as 9:29, which starts with, "Fight those who believe not in Allah", or 9:111, "Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed".



Knowledge is necessary when listening to claims made about Islam. Know that you're being lied to when you're told Islam is a religion of peace. If you've read 1984, just think 'The Ministry of Peace'.

But, what to actually do, you ask???? Beats me.

No assessment of the religion of billions of people ought hinge on a few verses from a book which they clearly don't take literally. Islam is a religion of peace for those who interpret it that way. It is a religion of war for those who interpret it that way. Much like Christianity, or Hinduism, or Buddhism.

 

[rational experiences]

No assessment of the religion of billions of people ought hinge on a few verses from a book which they clearly don't take literally. Islam is a religion of peace for those who interpret it that way. It is a religion of war for those who interpret it that way. Much like Christianity, or Hinduism, or Buddhism.

It is human truth. You are told words. Yet you live owning the spiritual life and body first.

You think you abide what you believe is real spiritually. You abide social laws not by choice but by rule only.

Those words have the same human meaning anywhere.

In those words are science expressions of science destruction. So we ignore that part of the reading. If you are spiritual.

Hence science studying religious text for science only ought to stop interviewing spiritual humanity.

 

[stevecanuck]

I don't think any intelligent person would disagree with that.

Even more important is the intention behind those claims.
eg. is the intention to encourage peace, or one of enmity

Claims that are fact require the intention to educate. Claims that are lies require the intention to mislead.

 

[stevecanuck]

Science thinks Ai is talking on behalf of natural man's humans biological owned ideas first.

As if countries are talking to each other. As human DNA is national to country.

Yet he designed built operates thinking constantly himself as biology the machine communication systems. So he thinks he is the machine too.

How you become mind possessed with false ideas.

We live after nature garden existed oxygenating was human teaching AH breaths.

So you wouldn't believe you time transported into a metal machines body. The biological teacher who said as the human son his teaching in biological presence was correct.

Don't deny what type of conscious life body you owned yourself. Don't believe Satan is anything but conjured.

Aren't you the robot who used to go around saying, "Danger, Will Robinson"?

 

[Clara Tea]

Verse 4:140 of the Qur'an states:

Yusuf Ali: Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell.

It seems quite clear to me that when a Muslim engages in debate with the likes of me, that he/she is openly defying Allah's command to not do so.

A cynic might even suggest that Allah is afraid of his followers being defeated in a debate and swayed away from the 'truth'.

Comments?

Everything that I post is my opinion, unless I quote someone else.

If God is all powerful, God could do anything and everything that needs to be done, and does not need humans to help.

Thus, if God wanted no one to argue against his rules, he could twitch his nose (like Bewitched), or blink his eyes (like I Dream of Jeanie) and his will would be done....all critics would be vaporized or moved to Mt. Everest.

Why, then, do humans feel compelled to do anything? Out of respect for God?

Or, does God offer so much free will that God allows us mere mortals to defy Him. For what purpose? To separate the good from the bad? To move the bad ones to hell?

Opinions are bound to differ. Why be shocked when they do? Why feel oppressed by those with differing opinions?

 

[rational experiences]

Aren't you the robot who used to go around saying, "Danger, Will Robinson"?

Maybe in your AI head I am by want of it yourself. Visionary first. Theism first not what you thought about as I want.

As no sane human infers a human is something other than a human conscious giving human warnings.

My will is not any robot.

Humans psychic hear what they write about. Body life mind biology owned naturally.

 

[MyM]

Everything that I post is my opinion, unless I quote someone else.

If God is all powerful, God could do anything and everything that needs to be done, and does not need humans to help.

Thus, if God wanted no one to argue against his rules, he could twitch his nose (like Bewitched), or blink his eyes (like I Dream of Jeanie) and his will would be done....all critics would be vaporized or moved to Mt. Everest.

Why, then, do humans feel compelled to do anything? Out of respect for God?

Or, does God offer so much free will that God allows us mere mortals to defy Him. For what purpose? To separate the good from the bad? To move the bad ones to hell?

Opinions are bound to differ. Why be shocked when they do? Why feel oppressed by those with differing opinions?

I guess one just sinks to the level of dirt under a shoe...meaning no respect and when one takes respect out of the equation, well, all ya got is disrespect.

 

[stevecanuck]

No assessment of the religion of billions of people ought hinge on a few verses

It doesn't. There are 6,236 verses. I've been reading the Qur'an for 20 years, so I like to think I know which verses best sum up it's overall message.

from a book which they clearly don't take literally.

That claim is wholly gratuitous and uninformed. You simply have no clue of which you speak.

Islam is a religion of peace for those who interpret it that way. It is a religion of war for those who interpret it that way. Much like Christianity, or Hinduism, or Buddhism.

Again. No. Clue. I assume you've spent exactly zero time reading the qur'an.

 

[Clara Tea]

Claims that are fact require the intention to educate. Claims that are lies require the intention to mislead.

It must be difficult to tell the difference between education and indoctrination with lies. For example, we were educated by the W. Bush administration into believing that Iraq was involved in terrorism, and their balloon trucks could double as bioweapons and their aluminum tubes (wrong sized) could be used for refining Plutonium weapons. We were told lies about Iraqi leaders being "Doctor of Death" and told that they were a part of some mythical "Axis of Evil" and that our president was fightin' evil. The president had access to CIA intel, and we didn't, so we had to either trust him or not.

So how do we tell the difference between Satan fooling us with lies, and education telling us the truth?

Simple.....follow the greed, follow the lies, and follow the blood trail....it leads to Satan every time. Wars, torture camps, pollution, ignored homeless, debt, etc., all point the way to Satan. Lets not confuse worship with "war ship" nor confuse launchers with "lawn chairs." Lets not be scared into wars with phony orange alerts and phony intel about Niger selling yellow-cake Uranium to Iraq for terrorism.

Remember what the bible says...."I shall fear no evil."

 

[stevecanuck]

Everything that I post is my opinion, unless I quote someone else.

If God is all powerful, God could do anything and everything that needs to be done, and does not need humans to help.

Thus, if God wanted no one to argue against his rules, he could twitch his nose (like Bewitched), or blink his eyes (like I Dream of Jeanie) and his will would be done....all critics would be vaporized or moved to Mt. Everest.

Why, then, do humans feel compelled to do anything? Out of respect for God?

Or, does God offer so much free will that God allows us mere mortals to defy Him. For what purpose? To separate the good from the bad? To move the bad ones to hell?

Opinions are bound to differ. Why be shocked when they do? Why feel oppressed by those with differing opinions?

Those "differing opinions" can lead to oppression. Imagine the fear that Pakistani Christians must live in knowing that they could be prosecuted/persecuted for the trumped up charge of "insulting Islam". Image the closet Saudi atheist who dutifully prays five times a day in order to keep his head on his shoulders. Image being a school girl in northern Nigeria wondering if today is the day she gets kidnapped as a sex slave.

 

[Clara Tea]

I guess one just sinks to the level of dirt under a shoe...meaning no respect and when one takes respect out of the equation, well, all ya got is disrespect.

Even though President W. Bush disrespected God and defied God by killing (war in Iraq and other places), it still seemed as though he respected God. After all, W. Bush declared himself humble (as he ran the US and ran the world). It takes hubris to start wars knowing full well that God forbade them. Christians are required to be humble. Also, W. Bush insisted that he was fightin' evil, and that would indicate that he was of the opinion that he was fighting on God's side, though God made it very clear that he was not on his side.

So, you are right....God and W. Bush disrespected each other.

 

[stevecanuck]

It must be difficult to tell the difference between education and indoctrination with lies.

Not in the case of Islam. We're told lies about it every day, but all we have to do is know the Qur'an well enough to post verses that expose those lies. I do it all the time.

(Preachy part of your post deleted.)

 

[Clara Tea]

Those "differing opinions" can lead to oppression. Imagine the fear that Pakistani Christians must live in knowing that they could be prosecuted/persecuted for the trumped up charge of "insulting Islam". Image the closet Saudi atheist who dutifully prays five times a day in order to keep his head on his shoulders. Image being a school girl in northern Nigeria wondering if today is the day she gets kidnapped as a sex slave.

Having differing opinions is fine. We should all respect one another. However, acting on such differing opinions (such as your example....prosecuting Pakistani Christians) is a bit more than having an opinion.

The same is true of the Religious Right mixing politics and religion. The prevent Gay marriages (preventing child custody and inheritance), they teach their religion with their bibles in schools (when they can get away with it, though there is supposed to be separation of church and state to allow everyone free practice of religion). They have acted on their opinions, and their decisions affect us all.

 

[Clara Tea]

Not in the case of Islam. We're told lies about it every day, but all we have to do is know the Qur'an well enough to post verses that expose those lies. I do it all the time.

(Preachy part of your post deleted.)

Thank you for deleting my post....we wouldn't want what I wrote.

What lies are you mentioning? What verses expose those lies? Do terrorists also read the same verses?

 

[Clara Tea]

Not as bad as 9:29, which starts with, "Fight those who believe not in Allah", or 9:111, "Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed".



Knowledge is necessary when listening to claims made about Islam. Know that you're being lied to when you're told Islam is a religion of peace. If you've read 1984, just think 'The Ministry of Peace'.

But, what to actually do, you ask???? Beats me.

If Islam is not a religion of peace, how do you explain all those Islamics who live peaceful lives.

In any violent neighborhood, you will find just a few people wrecking it for all. They grafitti, murder, steal. But, the vast majority are good and kind folks. Lets not tar everyone with the same brush and throw the baby out with the bath water or we'll be up a creek without a saddle looking a gift horse in the mouth as he drinks.

I think someone mixed metaphors.

 

[Clara Tea]

No assessment of the religion of billions of people ought hinge on a few verses from a book which they clearly don't take literally. Islam is a religion of peace for those who interpret it that way. It is a religion of war for those who interpret it that way. Much like Christianity, or Hinduism, or Buddhism.

When you get right down to it, the phone book is a book of war. How dare they list the A's before the B's....etc. The trick is not to fight on the slightest provokation....the trick is to sue for peace as much as possible.

I worry about the current proposed take-over of the Ukraine at the hands of Russia. It is clear that China sides with Russia (and took over Taiwan....evoking the "One China" policy and the fact that they used to own it). China also took over Hong Kong (again, their former territory, and both Taiwan and Hong Kong were due to be turned over in 20 years). China also chased vessels off of the China Sea (prompting Trump to send an aircraft carrier, and that prompted China to fly mach 10 missiles over the carrier). We're in a lot of trouble if we go to war with Russia (which positioned Satan II rockets on their border), or China. The US only has mach 4 rockets and some antiquated inadequate SDI beam weapons. While the US had a SALT agreement with the former Soviets, China (et al) caught up with nuke weaponry and rocketry).

Is the US going to plunge into that war and create WWIII? If so, it is a war that should last about 15 minutes (just time enough for the nukes to hit their targets....and the US will definitely lose).

Can the US use bayonets and helicopters developed to fight Iraq in the upcomng nuclear war? Nope.

Is the US ready with medical supplies (made in China, by the way), ready with funding (we're deeply in debt to China, by the way), and ready with factories to make more weapons (China manufactures virtually everything for the US....I suppose they might even make some weapons for the US)?

I don't think that the US has any clout in the world at this time. So, it is high time that we stop throwing our weight around and work on jobs, manufacturing, and better weaponry.

As you can see, it doesn't take a bible to start a war. Nations can fight for any reason at all. The trick is to make mutually beneficial trades and be prepared for war(s).

 

[Left Coast]

It doesn't. There are 6,236 verses. I've been reading the Qur'an for 20 years, so I like to think I know which verses best sum up it's overall message.

It baffles me how many Christians have been reading the Bible their whole lives who woefully misunderstand it.

That claim is wholly gratuitous and uninformed. You simply have no clue of which you speak.

Well if you've already made up your mind that anyone who dares disagree with you about anything simply "has no clue," then there's no actual discussion to be had, is there?

If all you want to do is preach and talk down to people who think differently than you, find a pulpit.

If you want to have an actual respectful discussion where you might find that everyone who thinks differently than you isn't just clueless, then maybe come back.