Are people born Gay?

[Flappycat]

Some people have an inherent disposition to one gender, some do not.

That's pretty much what I say.

 

[Ryan2065]

I was thinking about this the other day. A lot of the time we hear the people who are gay are born that way. My only problem with this statement is that I don't think that who or what we are attracted to is something that anyone is born with. It is something much more complicated that changes and develops over time. With the same logic, I could say that I was born straight - but the problem is that I don't think I was born anything. I remember kissing a girl in kindergarten, but it wasn't because I was attracted to her. It's because it's what I say mommy and daddy do. I can't remember being actually attracted to girls until I was older, and then it wasn't even every girl. If people aren't born attracted to something, how do these attractions develop? Why am I attracted to one girl and not another?

What do you think?

I sure hope that people aren't born gay. Then what do you think the future will be like? Its not that far of a stretch to believe people will be able to pick certain traits their child will have (currently if you have the money you can pick what sex your child is) so who would make their child to be gay? And it could be tested for at birth, or even at your job... I dunno... When its in the blood it can be controlled with time, so I'm not so sure that would be the best thing...

 

[Jaymes]

Well, of course it's an assumption. I just got through referring to it as an assumption. What more ya want?

To not make assumptions? You know what they say when you assume...

 

[Scott1]

Well, of course it's an assumption.

How very unscientific of you....

Not bisexual.


Thanks Jensa

 

[Theodore]

Hey, you all forgot to tell me you were having a discussion over here about one of my favorite subjects. What’s a thread like this worth without the old homophobe piping in!

Here is my take on the OP:

I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I believe we are essentially a soul within a body.

Our soul has no gender. Our gender is derived from the association with our physical body. When we are incarnated into a male body, we associate with and take on male qualities. We feel masculine because our body is male, and we are also a male socially. (Obviously, the same applies to females and female qualities.)

If we have been in the same type of body, male or female, for many incarnations and then switch, the transition can be difficult.

The Ego, which I will define here as the Soul in delusion, takes with it tendencies and desires from one incarnation to the next. If the Ego thinks of itself as masculine, yet finds itself in a female body, there can be some confusion. The likes and dislikes, desires and inclinations that this Ego has developed over many incarnations are still there. Suddenly having to reconcile a new gender can present a challenge.

I also believe that there is a purpose for our incarnation in both male and female forms. That is for us to learn balance. If we get too hard boiled as a male, we need time in a female body to develop the softer and more caring feminine qualities. If we get too feminine, then it’s time to be male for a while.

So, I believe that the body we are incarnated in to is the gender we need to be for this life. Even if one has strong feelings for persons of the same sex, our lesson here is to develop the traits of the body we were born in.

For an ego to continue to indulge in the traits of the opposite sex is just prolonging their lesson. If one is born a man, one needs to develop those traits and strengths. To continue to act female is to deny and waste this life.

Of course, there is always the next life to try and get it right.

 

[Flappycat]

To not make assumptions? You know what they say when you assume...

Should I assume that he has a natural inclination toward heterosexuality? Should I assume that he has a natural inclination toward homosexuality? Should I assume that nobody has a natural inclination toward either, making us all bi? I was giving my best guess, based on what he'd told us.

 

[Scott1]

Should I assume...

No.... you should ask.

 

[Jaymes]

Our gender is derived from the association with our physical body. When we are incarnated into a male body, we associate with and take on male qualities. We feel masculine because our body is male, and we are also a male socially. (Obviously, the same applies to females and female qualities.)

It does? Because even as a little girl I never liked 'girly' toys... I'd rather play with trucks and roll in the dirt than play dressup with dolls or put on makeup.

So, I believe that the body we are incarnated in to is the gender we need to be for this life. Even if one has strong feelings for persons of the same sex, our lesson here is to develop the traits of the body we were born in.

For an ego to continue to indulge in the traits of the opposite sex is just prolonging their lesson. If one is born a man, one needs to develop those traits and strengths. To continue to act female is to deny and waste this life.

Who says being attracted to females is purely a masculine trait? I know plenty of feminine lesbians and masculine gay guys. I'm attracted to girls, but I don't see myself as masculine. I try to be as caring of a person as I can be... if anything, I often lack the assertiveness and confrontational nature that people tend to associate with males.

You can't put everything into group A and group B; it's more complex than that. Just because someone is born with danglies it doesn't mean they have to be masculine, just like I don't have to learn to enjoy makeup and dresses.

 

[Flappycat]

Hey, you all forgot to tell me you were having a discussion over here about one of my favorite subjects. What’s a thread like this worth without the old homophobe piping in!

Mostly, I just think that you have some prejudicial issues. If you're to be believed, you don't suffer from any real kind of homophobia.

I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I believe we are essentially a soul within a body.

Our soul has no gender. Our gender is derived from the association with our physical body. When we are incarnated into a male body, we associate with and take on male qualities. We feel masculine because our body is male, and we are also a male socially. (Obviously, the same applies to females and female qualities.)

If we have been in the same type of body, male or female, for many incarnations and then switch, the transition can be difficult.

The Ego, which I will define here as the Soul in delusion, takes with it tendencies and desires from one incarnation to the next. If the Ego thinks of itself as masculine, yet finds itself in a female body, there can be some confusion. The likes and dislikes, desires and inclinations that this Ego has developed over many incarnations are still there. Suddenly having to reconcile a new gender can present a challenge.

I also believe that there is a purpose for our incarnation in both male and female forms. That is for us to learn balance. If we get too hard boiled as a male, we need time in a female body to develop the softer and more caring feminine qualities. If we get too feminine, then it’s time to be male for a while.

So, I believe that the body we are incarnated in to is the gender we need to be for this life. Even if one has strong feelings for persons of the same sex, our lesson here is to develop the traits of the body we were born in.

For an ego to continue to indulge in the traits of the opposite sex is just prolonging their lesson. If one is born a man, one needs to develop those traits and strengths. To continue to act female is to deny and waste this life.

Of course, there is always the next life to try and get it right.

I didn't know you were a believer in reincarnation! I have a vague memory of some NT scholar explaining to me why he thought that Jesus probably did also, though. It was very interesting, but I don't remember the entire discussion. I'm going to suspend my disbelief just long enough to find your ideas very very interesting. Where do you draw these conclusions from?

 

[Quiddity]

Perhaps some are, and some are not.

~Victor

 

[Flappycat]

Perhaps some are, and some are not.

~Victor

That's pretty much what I think. I think that more people are naturally bi than the stats would show.

 

[Mike182]

Hey, you all forgot to tell me you were having a discussion over here about one of my favorite subjects. What’s a thread like this worth without the old homophobe piping in!

Here is my take on the OP:

I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I believe we are essentially a soul within a body.

Our soul has no gender. Our gender is derived from the association with our physical body. When we are incarnated into a male body, we associate with and take on male qualities. We feel masculine because our body is male, and we are also a male socially. (Obviously, the same applies to females and female qualities.)

If we have been in the same type of body, male or female, for many incarnations and then switch, the transition can be difficult.

The Ego, which I will define here as the Soul in delusion, takes with it tendencies and desires from one incarnation to the next. If the Ego thinks of itself as masculine, yet finds itself in a female body, there can be some confusion. The likes and dislikes, desires and inclinations that this Ego has developed over many incarnations are still there. Suddenly having to reconcile a new gender can present a challenge.

I also believe that there is a purpose for our incarnation in both male and female forms. That is for us to learn balance. If we get too hard boiled as a male, we need time in a female body to develop the softer and more caring feminine qualities. If we get too feminine, then it’s time to be male for a while.

So, I believe that the body we are incarnated in to is the gender we need to be for this life. Even if one has strong feelings for persons of the same sex, our lesson here is to develop the traits of the body we were born in.

For an ego to continue to indulge in the traits of the opposite sex is just prolonging their lesson. If one is born a man, one needs to develop those traits and strengths. To continue to act female is to deny and waste this life.

Of course, there is always the next life to try and get it right.

if you believe in reincarnation, do you also believe in past life regression

im not sure if i do, but a few of my friends do, and they tried it! from their experiences, i have known them in several past lives, and i have been gay in all of them

how would you account for this?

C_P

 

[Bennettresearch]

Howdy everyone,

Well the subject just got away from science and into emotions, which is where this whole subject resides. Our sexual attraction is tied directly to our emotions, does anyone argue with that? I also think that no one would argue that a lot of people go with their emotions but they don't analyze them. I know that I am wierd because I spent a lot of time examining just that in myself, but it was not about sex because I have never been anything other than heterosexual. My investigation was a search into my sould and the path is through the emotional network Ergo, why do I feel the way I do about things in general. Except for a measured genetic anamoly, most people make this as an emotional decission. That is why I have concluded that it is something that gays decided they wanted. Yes, a decision. I know this will raise some hackles, but there really is no other adequate explanation. Therefore, not a bioligical disposition but an emotional one.

People like to say nowadays that we are all "subjective" to our emotions. This supports rationalization. I am really going to put it out there now. When I was in an emotional depression I felt the vibes of some homosexuals and their attractions. What didn't happen was that I didn't wonder, am I a homosexual? No, I was only receiving another's vibes. So I was still stable within myself, my choice. It may not be some other's choice, but that is what it is, a choice.

 

[Quiddity]

Therefore, not a bioligical disposition but an emotional one.

I tend to agree with this. But if found it is biological it would not affect my view on the matter.

~Victor

 

[Theodore]

Mostly, I just think that you have some prejudicial issues. If you're to be believed, you don't suffer from any real kind of homophobia.

People who criticize the gay lifestyle often are labeled homophobes. Just because I am critical of some people doesn’t mean I don’t have empathy for them.

I feel we need to be who we are in this life. Like I said, we are essentially neither male or female. But we do have a role to play in God’s drama of life. It is our choice on how well we do our part.

I didn't know you were a believer in reincarnation! I have a vague memory of some NT scholar explaining to me why he thought that Jesus probably did also, though. It was very interesting, but I don't remember the entire discussion. I'm going to suspend my disbelief just long enough to find your ideas very very interesting. Where do you draw these conclusions from?

My main source of information is Yogananda. He alone is worth a lifetime of study. I have also read some of the sacred books of India, and a smattering of other eastern religion and philosophy.

I do believe that Jesus taught reincarnation but that is a subject worthy of another thread.

I have also read extensively through many of the Christian saints. They all say love thy neighbor, but their idea of love may be a bit different than yours. If you go to a true saint for spiritual or moral guidance you will more than likely get raked over the coals. Most people would be insulted and leave. Smart people will take the gift that has been given them and use it to improve their lives.

So it is with life. The really hard lessons are usually the most beneficial.

 

[Theodore]

if you believe in reincarnation, do you also believe in past life regression

im not sure if i do, but a few of my friends do, and they tried it! from their experiences, i have known them in several past lives, and i have been gay in all of them

how would you account for this?

C_P

I don't put much faith in past life regressions. There is no way to know if it's imagination or real.
I think you have to be very advanced spiritually to accurately know your past incarnations. These people are few and far between.
Generally we are better off not knowing what our past lives were. It's hard enough just making it through this one without having to live with the burden of past errors. Each life we get a fresh chance to redeem ourselves. It's a blessing that we should be grateful for.

 

[Jaymes]

How is loving a woman a masculine trait, though? On top of that, what defines masculine and feminine traits?

 

[michel]

How is loving a woman a masculine trait, though? On top of that, what defines masculine and feminine traits?

What defines masculine and feminine traits ? - I would have thought ( as a general rule) feminine traits are more emotionally orientated, whereas male ones are practical, and less ruled by emotions. I guess that might be seen as too much of a generalization.

 

[Druidus]

What defines masculine and feminine traits ? - I would have thought ( as a general rule) feminine traits are more emotionally orientated, whereas male ones are practical, and less ruled by emotions. I guess that might be seen as too much of a generalization.

Well, most things on the X chromosome are female traits, and most things on the Y chromosome are male attributes.

 

[Jaymes]

What things are on each chromosone, Druidus?