Are people born Gay?

[Druidus]

X contains the coding for such things as female estrogen (and other hormones) production, construction of the vagina and female breasts, muscular structure, female fat allocation, and, in some scientists beliefs (it's not proven, and it might not be. This is one complex chromosome, in a species with a large enough amount of complexity to begin with), the coding for attraction to males.

Y contains the coding for such things as male hormone production, construction of the penis and testicals, muscular structure, fat allocation, and, perhaps, attraction to females.

Basically, any differences between male and female are coded on X and Y. Y's job is to overpower X in a man, though it sometimes fails to do so, producing females with XY chromosome sets.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Try imagining yourself having sex with a man. If you aren't already tied down, try dating a fellow for a few months. Tell me how it goes.

Ill just stick to going to races, bowling, and other things with my friends.
On a side note, which I think is being very discriminate, is that you can't donate blood or plasma "if you are a male, and have had sex with another male, even once, since 1977." Supposedly its being in a high risk behavior group for aids, but I could have sworn AIDs was determined to not be a "gay disease." And I do donate blood, so I won't take up your challenge.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Try imagining yourself having sex with a man. If you aren't already tied down, try dating a fellow for a few months. Tell me how it goes.

dont make me puke. *gaah, splutter* *cough* *cough*. Ugh, i think i already did.

 

[Katzpur]

I was thinking about this the other day. A lot of the time we hear the people who are gay are born that way. My only problem with this statement is that I don't think that who or what we are attracted to is something that anyone is born with. It is something much more complicated that changes and develops over time. With the same logic, I could say that I was born straight - but the problem is that I don't think I was born anything. I remember kissing a girl in kindergarten, but it wasn't because I was attracted to her. It's because it's what I say mommy and daddy do. I can't remember being actually attracted to girls until I was older, and then it wasn't even every girl. If people aren't born attracted to something, how do these attractions develop? Why am I attracted to one girl and not another?

What do you think?

I'm not absolutely sure whether people are born gay or become gay at some point. While I am inclined to believe that one's sexual preference is primarily genetic, there may be other contributing factors. One thing I feel pretty sure about, though, is that homosexuality or heterosexuality is not something we choose. I know that when I first started be be attracted to boys, it wasn't something I'd sat down and made a decision about. I didn't weigh the pros and cons of choosing to like boys as opposed to girls. It was something inside of me that was independent of any conscious choice.

 

[Snowbear]

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It does? Because even as a little girl I never liked 'girly' toys... I'd rather play with trucks and roll in the dirt than play dressup with dolls or put on makeup.

Me too. At 40 years old, I get to play with real trucks and machines instead of Tonkas, though

I still would rather wear jeans and a tee shirt than a dress. I have on occasion worn makeup, but not because I like to. I did it when I was trying to salvage a failing marriage (didn't work). I think the last time I put on the war paint was about 9 or 10 years ago.

Who says being attracted to females is purely a masculine trait? I know plenty of feminine lesbians and masculine gay guys. I'm attracted to girls, but I don't see myself as masculine. I try to be as caring of a person as I can be... if anything, I often lack the assertiveness and confrontational nature that people tend to associate with males.

I am not attracted to women (or girly men) at all. I am without a doubt only attracted to men. Trouble is, being a "tomboy" even at 40 years old makes me very unattractive to men.... Oh sure, they often admire my independence at first, but men who are attracted to women eventually figure out they don't really want a woman who can take care of herself and who like to do the things guys like (hunt, fish, run a dozer or a backhoe, fight fire, camp (the real kind, not the motor home kind), build my own house, etc... ) after all [/font]

 

[Bennettresearch]

[font=&quot] Me too. At 40 years old, I get to play with real trucks and machines instead of Tonkas, though

I still would rather wear jeans and a tee shirt than a dress. I have on occasion worn makeup, but not because I like to. I did it when I was trying to salvage a failing marriage (didn't work). I think the last time I put on the war paint was about 9 or 10 years ago.
I am not attracted to women (or girly men) at all. I am without a doubt only attracted to men. Trouble is, being a "tomboy" even at 40 years old makes me very unattractive to men.... Oh sure, they often admire my independence at first, but men who are attracted to women eventually figure out they don't really want a woman who can take care of herself and who like to do the things guys like (hunt, fish, run a dozer or a backhoe, fight fire, camp (the real kind, not the motor home kind), build my own house, etc... ) after all [/font]

Hi Snowbear,

Keep on being who you are. Even though I don't watch them, a lot of home improvement shows are dominated by women. I don't consider them to not be femine, it is just that they have an interest in this stuff and have gotten out of the stereotype of the "helpless female". Susan, the A/R person at work is so proud of here new 4X4! She has a license plate cover that says "this is not my boyfriend's Truck!". So you are not unusual at all. I have to admit though that I also find the very feminine girls the most attractive, I think it is biology or something.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

[font=&quot]Oh sure, they often admire my independence at first, but men who are attracted to women eventually figure out they don't really want a woman who can take care of herself and who like to do the things guys like (hunt, fish, run a dozer or a backhoe, fight fire, camp (the real kind, not the motor home kind), build my own house, etc... ) after all[/font]

I don't know. I think that would be the best of both worlds. I could spend time with my girlfriend, and hang out with my friends doing something fun at the same time. Just couldn't give her the insult name we give the loser of a bowling game.

 

[Sunstone]

Whether people are born gay or not, it seems that in most cases, if not in all cases, people do not consciously choose their sexual orientation. Without conscious choice, I fail to see how sexual orientation is a "choice" in the commonplace meaning of that word.

 

[Quiddity]

Whether people are born gay or not, it seems that in most cases, if not in all cases, people do not consciously choose their sexual orientation. Without conscious choice, I fail to see how sexual orientation is a "choice" in the commonplace meaning of that word.

Don't forget that they have a choice after the fact.

~Victor

 

[Jaymes]

Denying a part of myself isn't a choice.

 

[Quiddity]

Denying a part of myself isn't a choice.

It's a choice.....sorry. It may be difficult, but it's a choice.

~Victor

 

[Jaymes]

I'd die if I denied that part of myself, since that means denying Liz as well. I wouldn't ask anyone to give up their partners... why should I give up mine?

 

[Green Gaia]

It's a choice.....sorry. It may be difficult, but it's a choice.

~Victor

You mean the choice between pretending to be someone you are not and being who you are?

 

[Quiddity]

You mean the choice between pretending to be someone you are not and being who you are?

I did say it would be difficult didn't I? Doesn't take away from it being a choice.

~Victor

 

[Sunstone]

"Be true to yourself"

 

[Quiddity]

"Be true to yourself"

Pep rally aside. How far will you take that statement?

~Victor

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Denying a part of myself isn't a choice.

You can chose to deny who you are, but it's pointless.

 

[Sunstone]

Pep rally aside. How far will you take that statement?

~Victor

In the first place, Victor, I don't think it's a pep rally. I think it's widely recognized to be a profound truth. In the second place, I would take it so far as to say that you should be true to yourself so long as being true to yourself does not infringe on the rights of others.

 

[Quiddity]

In the second place, I would take it so far as to say that you should be true to yourself so long as being true to yourself does not infringe on the rights of others.

Ah, an exception. Pesky exceptions. For what its worth I don't completely disagree but it will be the word "right" that will most likely be interpreted differently and taken differently by both of us.

~Victor

 

[Jaymes]

In the first place, Victor, I don't think it's a pep rally. I think it's widely recognized to be a profound truth. In the second place, I would take it so far as to say that you should be true to yourself so long as being true to yourself does not infringe on the rights of others.

Well, me wanting to marry Liz destroys marriage and thus the rights of others, so I guess there goes that idea.