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Are people born Gay?

jonny

Well-Known Member
I was thinking about this the other day. A lot of the time we hear the people who are gay are born that way. My only problem with this statement is that I don't think that who or what we are attracted to is something that anyone is born with. It is something much more complicated that changes and develops over time. With the same logic, I could say that I was born straight - but the problem is that I don't think I was born anything. I remember kissing a girl in kindergarten, but it wasn't because I was attracted to her. It's because it's what I say mommy and daddy do. I can't remember being actually attracted to girls until I was older, and then it wasn't even every girl. If people aren't born attracted to something, how do these attractions develop? Why am I attracted to one girl and not another?

What do you think?
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
From a scientific and logical viewpoint, there is no "yes" or "no" answer to the question, "are people born gay?".

As for how to attractions develop, that's the million-dollar question, isn't it? Are we born being attracted to one type of human over another, no I don't think so. But it's very possible there are genetic and physiological predispositions to attraction as well as environmental and social ones. It's very complicated and if there were a simple answer, I think we'd have it already.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I believe, from what I have read that people are born Gay. This may sound 'quirky' but I do hope the time comes when it is able to be proven; that would silence all the anti-gays.:(
 

Chimowowo

Member
That's funny, because most of the gay people I know weren't always gay. Most of them didn't become gay till highschool. (or at least that's when they came out). I will have to really ask them though now, because it could have been them being gay before then and it took them that long to realize it.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Chimowowo said:
That's funny, because most of the gay people I know weren't always gay. Most of them didn't become gay till highschool.
Goof grief! :banghead3 It's called ...
Puberty
And just because a sexual orientation does not emerge until sexuality emerges does not mean that the predisposition to one orientation or another is not a latent biological trait present from birth.
 

Chimowowo

Member
Haha, I guess I walked into that one. I will revise my statement then. I don't know about most of my gay friends till I ask them. I know of only one for certain who has told me that she only 'discovered' she was gay over time. From her description it sounds like she was already gay but it took a long time to realize it. Though her wife was straight up untill they met. Maybe I should ask her.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I believe gays are born gay. Straights don't decide on day, or over the course of time, that they are attracted to a certain body type. I've often been laughed at because I don't find blondes the most attractive, but I would just happen to prefer brunettes over blondes. I didn't decide to, it just happend. Like Du........Jayhawker said,
It's called ...
Puberty
 

Kowalski

Active Member
jonny said:
I was thinking about this the other day. A lot of the time we hear the people who are gay are born that way. My only problem with this statement is that I don't think that who or what we are attracted to is something that anyone is born with. It is something much more complicated that changes and develops over time. With the same logic, I could say that I was born straight - but the problem is that I don't think I was born anything. I remember kissing a girl in kindergarten, but it wasn't because I was attracted to her. It's because it's what I say mommy and daddy do. I can't remember being actually attracted to girls until I was older, and then it wasn't even every girl. If people aren't born attracted to something, how do these attractions develop? Why am I attracted to one girl and not another?

What do you think?
Why not ask some ? Gays that is ;)

Cheers

K
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Chimowowo said:
Haha, I guess I walked into that one. I will revise my statement then. I don't know about most of my gay friends till I ask them. I know of only one for certain who has told me that she only 'discovered' she was gay over time. From her description it sounds like she was already gay but it took a long time to realize it. Though her wife was straight up untill they met. Maybe I should ask her.
You may have a point there (about people not realizing that they are gay) - but if for no other reason than the world is 'geared to' heterosexuals.

I think you'll find though that people who 'discover' they are gay always knew there was something 'wrong'. Perhaps the fact that Homosexuality is discussed so much more than say forty years ago makes it 'easier' for homosexuals to identify that 'uhuh this isn't right' feeling.;)
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
I'm gay. Was I born gay? I don't know, does it matter?

But I feel it's not something I made a conscience choice about to whom I am attracted and to whom I am not. I don't believe anyone can control that.
 

The Black Whirlwind

Well-Known Member
Maize said:
From a scientific and logical viewpoint, there is no "yes" or "no" answer to the question, "are people born gay?".

As for how to attractions develop, that's the million-dollar question, isn't it? Are we born being attracted to one type of human over another, no I don't think so. But it's very possible there are genetic and physiological predispositions to attraction as well as environmental and social ones. It's very complicated and if there were a simple answer, I think we'd have it already.
there was a study of a bunch of men of every ethnicity all over the world, and they were all studied by being shown a bunch of pictures of different women. Overall, most of the men picked the same women in, like, 20 pictures, that was the most beatiful.

there was another study with gay men and staright women, and when a woman was showed a picture of an attractive man her hypothalmus lit up, and when a gay man was shown a picture of an attractive man, his hypothalmus lit up in the same way as the women's. Some evidence that it is inborn.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Chimowowo said:
That's funny, because most of the gay people I know weren't always gay. Most of them didn't become gay till highschool. (or at least that's when they came out). I will have to really ask them though now, because it could have been them being gay before then and it took them that long to realize it.
Of all the gay people I know, only one had the courage and sense of self to come out during middle school. I myself didn't know I was lesbian until about two years ago... even though I had has urges to kiss girls pretty much since 7th grade. It's called denial. :p It took me about 2 years to admit I was attracted to girls (but I'm bi! I'm at least half normal! cried 9th grade me), then another year to admit I didn't find the idea of doing things with a guy attractive at all. I think half of this is due to living in rural Georgia among a Baptist family.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
TheJedi said:
there was a study of a bunch of men of every ethnicity all over the world, and they were all studied by being shown a bunch of pictures of different women. Overall, most of the men picked the same women in, like, 20 pictures, that was the most beatiful.

there was another study with gay men and staright women, and when a woman was showed a picture of an attractive man her hypothalmus lit up, and when a gay man was shown a picture of an attractive man, his hypothalmus lit up in the same way as the women's. Some evidence that it is inborn.
Well, that is 'Good' news; it supports the assertion that being gay is not just a chosen lifestyle, as those who are anti-gay keep asserting.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
michel said:
Well, that is 'Good' news; it supports the assertion that being gay is not just a chosen lifestyle, as those who are anti-gay keep asserting.
With people that still cling to that, there will never be enough evidence that people are born gay; for most of them homosexuality will always be the evil perversion that the horrible liberal scientists try to corrupt our children with by saying it's natural. :bonk:
 

Flappycat

Well-Known Member
jonny said:
I was thinking about this the other day. A lot of the time we hear the people who are gay are born that way. My only problem with this statement is that I don't think that who or what we are attracted to is something that anyone is born with. It is something much more complicated that changes and develops over time. With the same logic, I could say that I was born straight - but the problem is that I don't think I was born anything. I remember kissing a girl in kindergarten, but it wasn't because I was attracted to her. It's because it's what I say mommy and daddy do. I can't remember being actually attracted to girls until I was older, and then it wasn't even every girl. If people aren't born attracted to something, how do these attractions develop? Why am I attracted to one girl and not another?

What do you think?
Try imagining yourself having sex with a man. If you aren't already tied down, try dating a fellow for a few months. Tell me how it goes.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
There is a theory that explains how homosexuality exists within humanity and all other animals following the "XY Male/XX Female" geneset. You see, for Y to survive inside a female body, the female's body has to have it's immune system shut down for a time. However, the female body doesn't like this very much. So it launches chemical warfare upon the Y chromosome. We know that millions of years ago, Y was attacked vigourously, as we see it in the crumpled, shrunken and scarred state of Y. Damages to Y are causing a lot of problems nowadays. For instance, male fertility has dropped by 50% in 50 years. This isn't the only problem however. Damages to the Y chromosome could cause genetic coding for attraction to be damaged. What does the body then do? Rely on the X chromosome's instructions, which are coded for attraction for males. What about lesbianism, you say? Well, every now and then, because of Y's damaged state, a female can be born with the XY coding. Because they have Y's attraction coding, they are attracted to females. On an interesting note, many families no longer give birth to males, because X has triumphed over Y. My family isn't far behind that; Including all my siblings, me, and all my cousins, there are still three times as many females as males.

However, there are also simpler explanations. Look at the bonobo. They naturally act homosexually as well as heterosexually, and they are 99.98% the same as us. Attraction is genetic in all other animals; or, at least, that's the best guess of anyone. Did gay penguins really contemplate homosexuality before choosing it? Gay penguins are rare, and they certainly didn't see such behaviour in other penguins. Therefore, they didn't outwardly learn it, so it must have been internal.

I'm willing to admit that outside environment can play a role in sexual orientation. But it is a small role, much like in intelligence. With intelligence, genetics are 90% and environment is 10%. I'd say that in sexual orientation, however, the environmental effect is much lower.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Flappycat said:
Try imagining yourself having sex with a man. If you aren't already tied down, try dating a fellow for a few months. Tell me how it goes.
Been there... done that... what's your point?
 
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