Are prophets sinless, infallible people?

[gnostic]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

 

[kashmir]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

There are two types of prophets.
Ones of God and ones of satan, the master of lies.
So of course many prophets for false prophets and no where near sinless nor were messengers of God.
Of all the prophets ever written about, I believe Jesus was the only one without sin.
Everything he stood for and showed throughout his walk on earth was of love and forgiveness.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My religion doesn't have a concept of prophets. The closet thing to that would be oracular abilities, where a God speaks through you. That falls into the category of general divination. Anyone can do it if you hone your spiritual abilities enough.

No, they are not sinless or infallible. They're just people who have a close connection to the Gods. I don't believe in any such thing as "sin", anyway.

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe in any such thing as "sin", anyway.

I don't believe in "sin" as well.

Sin is a specific religious concept of some religions. But since this topic is dealing with religious topic, then we have to understand sin in their proper context. So it doesn't matter if I don't believe in "sins".

 

[gnostic]

There are two types of prophets.
Ones of God and ones of satan, the master of lies.
So of course many prophets for false prophets and no where near sinless nor were messengers of God.
Of all the prophets ever written about, I believe Jesus was the only one without sin.
Everything he stood for and showed throughout his walk on earth was of love and forgiveness.

Let's not get into "false prophets" please.

 

[Nymphs]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

No.

I don't believe in any of them and if they did exist, then no.

 

[John Doe]

The notion of prophets is another example of the human trait of imagination-idealisation-exaggeration. I am placing no value judgement on that activity. It is a spontaneous group activity like the emergence of musical styles - this is a function of the audience as much as of the musician.

A prophet is created by the group mind. Some individual is chosen - something like a genotype or 'shaman class' of possible candidates always exists in human societies - to represent the groups ethos and bonding rituals, to personify the emergent psychological properties of the group.

Once the necessary rituals are completed, the memory of the 'prophet' is an expression of a group idealisation, and the virtue of the prophet is maintained as an icon of that idealisation.

I see it like activity in a bee hive. No class of bee is the cause of the behaviour of the hive. The queen, workers and drones are the expression of the transcendent (emergent ?) reality - the hive.

 

[Farah]

A discussion about the infallible of prophets with atheists , Christian and Moslems ? Hmm
First we have to believe in one religion to know and understand the prophets and than go further in detail about this subject! And even if we would believe in one religion and a special prophet we still would have different opinions cz again religions are devided in fractions like Islam is devided in 72 fractions and as the prophet said only one is the rightly guided one, every group claims to be the right one!

 

[gnostic]

Hi Farah.

I know that when you write "devided", you really mean "divided", but do you really mean "fractions"? Or is the word you really looking for is - "factions"?

I would just like clear any misunderstanding.

 

[Tarheeler]

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?

Nope.

They suffer from anger, vanity, poor judgement, deceit, pettiness, and all of the other fun stuff that goes along with being human. Just like the rest of us.

 

[sandandfoam]

Being sinless and infallible are incompatible with being human imho

 

[DawudTalut]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

Peace be on you.
1- According to Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, Holy Quran represents Allah as the Perfect Being, Who has all perfect attributes, Pure of any weakness, Who is One and has no associate and Source of all grace.

2- By looking at the interconnected well built universe, a rational minded person reach at idea that "there should be" someone who made all that. But "there should be" is different than "IS".

3- Prophets and Messengers are the pure people who prove with Signs and Miracles that The Hidden and All-Powerful Being IS actually present. They are the mirror in which God reflects.

4- The Prophets/ Messengers who represent Perfect God are human but they do not commit sin on purpose. Sin is a condition when one disobey God and His commandments willfully. Human weakness like forgetting something to do are not sins, these are human weakness.

5- The life of Prophet / Messenger is open book of purity to be followed:
Allah told Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) to say in Holy Quran:
".......... I have indeed lived among you a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?" (chapter 10 : from v 17)

6- If sins are associated with Prophets/ Messengers in some previous Books, that is just human intervention.


7- Holy Quran:
[37:181] "Holy is thy Lord, the Lord of Honour and Power, far above that which they assert.'
[37:182] "And peace be upon the Messengers!"
[37:183] "And all praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the worlds."


More search in alislam.org

 

[viole]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

If prophets say that themselves and all their disciples will be scoffed at and ridiculed for what the proclaim, then well, I don't think they can fail.

A self fulfilling prophecy, so to speak.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nakosis]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

No,

I suppose folks need an external truth to hang their hats on. Can't rely on themselves, can't rely on each other. So they instead trust some person they've never met to provide the truth for them. Makes perfect sense... Everyone in your life who you want validation from says they were perfect so they must have been. You go about questioning the perfect, that's only because you are imperfect. But that's ok because your imperfection has been forgiven. Just as long as you come to realize it's best not to question the perfect.

 

[Akivah]

Let me expand the subject title's question -

Are prophets, messiahs, messengers, apostles, saints, popes, clerics, imams, priests, etc, SINLESS and INFALLIBLE?
​

This is the issue that I have with believers, of any religion, of any scripture, who make claim that any one of the above, especially those who believe that prophets, messengers or messiahs, to be "perfect", "infallible" or "sinless".

I don't even believe god or gods to be "infallible" or "perfect", so I am quite skeptical of any human being "infallible" or "perfect", let alone "sinless".

Nope. Every person makes errors, G-d made us this way.

 

[viole]

Nope. Every person makes errors, G-d made us this way.

Yes, we are in His image, apparently.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Akivah]

Yes, our souls are made in G-d's Image. However, we aren't G-d.

 

[Farah]

Gnostic, i think it's better if I say "groups"!
And not only Muslims but Christians and Jews are divided as well!

 

[Farah]

Well said nakosis!

 

[Farah]

Watch this video about the infallibility of the prophets, it's only 5 min and very interesting !
Original sin and the infallibility of Prophets - Hajj Hassanain Rajabali - YouTube