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Are Religions and Gods manmade?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
People here have seen the Bahaullah solution and rejected it. What makes you think the world will accept it when no one has accepted it here that wasn't previously a convert?
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More people will embrace the Baha'i Faith in God's time. God does not carry a stopwatch.
Baha'u'llah write that eventually everyone will know who He was, as God will see to it.

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 248
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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Trailblazer said:
Wake up and smell the coffee. Most religious people do not care about solutions to the world's problems, all they care about are their beliefs. Only the Baha'is care about solutions and the Baha'i Faith offers solutions, but most religious people are so entrenched in their beliefs they cannot see anything else, and they do not want to. Atheists are more interested in solutions than religious people.
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Absolutely.

The problem with atheists is your devotion to a guru and god they don't believe in. Because you also are entrenched in your beliefs and can't see anything else, and do not want to.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
More people will embrace the Baha'i Faith in God's time. God does not carry a stopwatch.
Baha'u'llah write that eventually everyone will know who He was, as God will see to it.

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 248
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Adding more entrenched verses doesn't work. You said so.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
And we told you it wasn't good enough.

Your belief is based on the Bible telling you it happened and nothing else. You then find any evidence to fit.

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf

7 Biblical Artifacts That Will Probably Never Be Found | Live Science

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education

Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp

Archaeology breakthrough: Discovery of 'evidence which 'proves Bible story DID happen'

Evidence found of Noah's ark flood victims

They even tell you what did happen and make no reference to a worldwide flood to kill everything on Earth because of Man's wickedness. Which carried on after the Flood.
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“We said it wasn’t good enough”? Who’s we? Lol.
This is the first anyone commented on it, in this thread.
And as for explanations.....there’s nothing but crickets! How about some worthy counter evidence to those claims I provided?
Oh, that’s right...for most of the claims, geologists “don’t know yet.”

My beliefs are based on the evidence I’ve given....it just happens that it supports Scripture!

When scientists fit a naturalistic model to the facts, and you press them for a substantial explanation that harmonizes all the related evidence, often the response is “we can’t explain it.”

Just like w/ the events surrounding the Egyptians & the Israelites.
...how would the Egyptians ever get a king / pharaoh called Jacob-baal, Jacob being a Hebrew name?

To explain evidence in a way that discredits the Bible, other evidence is often ignored.

That’s a fact that I & others have observed many times!

Appreciate all the references, though.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
The problem with atheists is your devotion to a guru and god they don't believe in. Because you also are entrenched in your beliefs and can't see anything else, and do not want to.
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No, atheists do not believe in God or Messengers but they can still be part of the solution to the world's problems.

Not all religious people are blinded by their beliefs. Just having beliefs does not make people blind to everything else. I care very much about what is going on in the world but I do not want to see other religious beliefs because I do not think they are relevant to the age we live in and I do not think they have the solutions to today's problems.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
Hockeycowboy said:
“We said it wasn’t good enough”? Who’s we? Lol.
This is the first anyone commented on it, in this thread.
And as for explanations.....there’s nothing but crickets! How about some worthy counter evidence to those claims I provided?
Oh, that’s right...for most of the claims, geologists “don’t know yet.”

My beliefs are based on the evidence I’ve given....it just happens that it supports Scripture!

When scientists fit a naturalistic model to the facts, and you press them for a substantial explanation that harmonizes all the related evidence, often the response is “we can’t explain it.”

Just like w/ the events surrounding the Egyptians & the Israelites.
...how would the Egyptians ever get a king / pharaoh called Jacob-baal, Jacob being a Hebrew name?

To explain evidence in a way that discredits the Bible, other evidence is often ignored.

That’s a fact that I & others have observed many times!

Appreciate all the references, though.
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Post your reasons for believing here and I will reply to them. I'm not searching for them.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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Trailblazer said:
No, atheists do not believe in God or Messengers but they can still be part of the solution to the world's problems.

Not all religious people are blinded by their beliefs. Just having beliefs does not make people blind to everything else. I care very much about what is going on in the world but I do not want to see other religious beliefs because I do not think they are relevant to the age we live in and I do not think they have the solutions to today's problems.
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Baha'is will have to show real solutions to the problems I listed. To refresh your memory.

What will they do with the criminal element committing Murder, Theft, Assualt, drugs, etc?

What will they do with the element committing wars, genocide, etc?

Both you and Tony refuse to answer this.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
Within an education system, Baha'is build? When people are educated and demand what Westerners have what will you tell them?

No restrictions on drugs. Does that mean legalise them?

The easiest thing is to remain in the system they know and understand.
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No restrictions to get rid of recreational drug use.

The educational system will be adopted by the majority, it will be based in moral and virtue.

Yes, change is never easy, I work in Work Health and Safety and can say that with confidence, and sorry now at work, the day begins.

Regards Tony
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
No restrictions to get rid of recreational drug use.

The educational system will be adopted by the majority, it will be based in moral and virtue.

Yes, change is never easy, I work in Work Health and Safety and can say that with confidence, and sorry now at work, the day begins.

Regards Tony
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So no restrictions to rid the world of recreational drug use. Does that mean you will go for total war against all recreational drug use?

How is the War on Drugs fairing so far?

Whose morals and virtue?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
Baha'is will have to show real solutions to the problems I listed. To refresh your memory.

What will they do with the criminal element committing Murder, Theft, Assualt, drugs, etc?

What will they do with the element committing wars, genocide, etc?

Both you and Tony refuse to answer this.
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I did answer it. It is not the JOB of a religion to solve social problems. That is the JOB of the government.

What the Baha'i Faith offers is a framework for change that will lead to change in the governments.
For example by promoting universal education, equality of men and women, and elimination of prejudice.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
I did answer it. It is not the JOB of a religion to solve social problems. That is the JOB of the government.

What the Baha'i Faith offers is a framework for change that will lead to change in the governments.
For example by promoting universal education, equality of men and women, and elimination of prejudice.
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So if governments around the world decide to stick with the present course, you're fine with that.

Are these social problems?

■The oneness of God
■The essential unity of religion
■The unity of mankind
■Harmony of religion and science
■Independent investigation of truth
■The need for universal compulsory education
■The need for a universal auxiliary language
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics

When you educate people are you talking about everyone even the educated Western world or just the uneducated third world?

Who will set the curriculum for either group?

Who will do the teaching?
 
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