Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

How do you know those events didn't happen? You were there to check?

Others have pointed out the flaws in the prophecies.

But I couldn't care less what prophecies in the Bible he fulfilled. His plans for the future are not workable. Are you going to stop being a Muslim because he says so?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Others have pointed out the flaws in the prophecies.

But I couldn't care less what prophecies in the Bible he fulfilled. His plans for the future are not workable. Are you going to stop being a Muslim because he says so?

Bahaullah is the Prophet in Baha'i faith, so no i am not a Baha’i follower, no need for me to convert to Baha'i. But i can agree with them in many cases, that i see as no problem.
And i dont think followers of Baha'i see my faith in Muhammad and islam as a problem either.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Bahaullah is the Prophet in Baha'i faith, so no i am not a Baha’i follower, no need for me to convert to Baha'i. But i can agree with them in many cases, that i see as no problem.
And i dont think followers of Baha'i see my faith in Muhammad and islam as a problem either.

You're going to have to convert.

■The oneness of God
■The essential unity of religion
■The unity of mankind
■Harmony of religion and science

It's all part of his plan for world unity. He wants to stop all the groups forming their own opinions.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You're going to have to convert.

■The oneness of God
■The essential unity of religion
■The unity of mankind
■Harmony of religion and science

It's all part of his plan for world unity. He wants to stop all the groups forming their own opinions.

I am free to chose my belief in Islam no person can force me to be something i am not, or believe in something i dont

 

[Trailblazer]

Stop putting words in my mouth. Different groups form. You've joined the Baha'is, some are Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Atheists and even they form their own little or large groups.

So what? People join religions and work together in their group.

Stop telling us what god's job is or isn't. You admit to not knowing, all you do is make your version of a god fit your belief.

If it was God's job then God would do it. That is called deductive reasoning.

Most people have rejected Bahaullah who have heard of him. His message is an age-old one to stop the fighting. His plan is unworkable, even you admit that. Thinking a New Race will come along and change everything.

We have already covered this. It is early in this religious cycle, and as time goes on more people will recognize Baha'u'llah.
I never said that His plan is unworkable.

A new race has come in the last 10,000 years or a new race is coming in the next 10,000 years?

A new race of men will come eventually, I do not know exactly when. Why do you live in the future?

If all divine religions are true, can you give us a list of them please?

The religions that were established by these Messengers of God:

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I am free to chose my belief in Islam no person can force me to be something i am not, or believe in something i dont

I know that. Go tell Baha'is you don't want to change.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I know that. Go tell Baha'is you don't want to change.

Why?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Qur'an is the principal source of Islamic law, the Sharia. It contains the rules by which the Muslim world is governed (or should govern itself) and forms the basis for relations between man and God, between individuals, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, as well as between man and things which are part of creation.

Non-Muslim?????

No such thing as creation, everything evolved.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Why?

Because they believe you have to so their guru's plans work. Don't tell me you disagree with them about changing religions.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because they believe you have to so their guru's plans work. Don't tell me you disagree with them about changing religions.

As i said, i am free to hold the belief that sound correct to me. They can have the belief they have in their teaching, it does not bother me at all.
No Baha'i has come to me and said you have to become one of us. They respect my religious belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

The places exist, but the events didn't. It's been pointed out many times. But it's all incidental. His plans won't work.

Do you even now what places and events we were talking about?

You do not know what will work because you have no crystal ball.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Do you even now what places and events we were talking about?

You do not know what will work because you have no crystal ball.

Can I borrow yours then? LOL

You don't need a crystal ball, even Bahaullah said it won't work without a new race of Men.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So what? People join religions and work together in their group.

If it was God's job then God would do it. That is called deductive reasoning.

We have already covered this. It is early in this religious cycle, and as time goes on more people will recognize Baha'u'llah.
I never said that His plan is unworkable.

A new race of men will come eventually, I do not know exactly when. Why do you live in the future?

The religions that were established by these Messengers of God:

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Peoplealso join groups and combat each other.

If a god existed and wanted us to do something he should come and tell us, not send nobodies to do his job for him. Because it just confuses us.

So how fast is Baha'is growing?

I said his plans are unworkable and gave reasons. You say it will take a new race of Men to achieve them.

These religions miss out all the earlier ones, all the later ones and all the future ones. There are 10,000 religions. The god idea came long before Abraham invented another one.

 

[paarsurrey]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

1.I agree with one's understanding that religion was first to emerge than the no-religion. Right, please?
2.I don't buy that religion was man-made, it was very natural with man. Right, please?

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe I am still on the prelude so I have a long way to go but I have arrived at the headline that a spaceship has arrived from Venus. I believe that should give the reader a clue.

You need to put that into context of what was being offered.

As it was saying that would be a headline that would grab people's attention, it was not saying it was so.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

If it was God's job then God would do it.

And Christians tell me it is God job and it is on schedule. But what they believe about their Bible interpretations contradicts you. And I'm sure you will say that their interpretations are wrong... which would make them manmade. The NT... They say it is the inerrant word of God. But it was written by man and interpreted by man and many of the things it says about who God is and what God will do you say are wrong. So the NT... God made or manmade? Baha'is can say either one depending on what they are trying to prove. If it is something they don't like, then it is manmade. Something they like, then it was "inspired" from God. But, ultimately, Baha'is do away with it and make it meaningless... something that was for then but not now. But really, when was it really true? By what Baha'is say, it was never true. It was always manmade.

The religions that were established by these Messengers of God:

What happened to Adam and Noah? They've been demoted from being manifestations of God? And, what religion did Abraham found and which religion did Moses found? All four of those... Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses... how many stories in the Bible are literally and historically true? Possibly none. Yet, they are real? Hmmm... any chance that they are all manmade mythical characters that did manmade mythical things. Oh, and about their mythical God? Since that God in the stories does some pretty horrible things that you probably don't believe really happened. So those things, like stopping the Sun in the sky and striking people dead aren't true. They are manmade stories about their God.

Next problem on your rainbow of religions. How many times have Hindus told Baha'is, Krishna didn't found a religion. And the stories about Krishna are they true or mythical? So unless "founding" a religion is not part of what a manifestations does, then how do you explain this "progression"? Then do you really believe the newer one "abrogated" the previous ones on the list? Like Buddhism abrogating Judaism, Hinduism and Zoroastrianism?

 

[CG Didymus]

I know that. Go tell Baha'is you don't want to change.

How many times have we been told that Baha'u'llah is the new messenger and the promised return of all the messengers ever promised in every major religion. Meaning, he is the fulfillment of all those religions. A "true" believer in any of those religions should, supposedly, recognize this and follow this new teaching from God that replaces all those old teachings. So should all people in all religions learn to get along? Yes. But is it by all of them recognizing and accepted Baha'u'llah? I think that is exactly what Baha'u'llah is saying. Unless Baha'is can show me where he says that it is okay for spiritual/religious people to keep believing in their old religion and to keep following their old prophet and not follow him.

Problem with that is that not one religion, in the way it is believed and practiced today, agrees totally with any of the other ones. Even sects within one religion don't agree with each other. And why do Baha'is say that is so? It is because of manmade traditions and manmade interpretations of the religion and its scriptures. Next question... are the scriptures from God or from man? I'm thinking man invented them and wrote them. Made laws and rules and told the people, "This is what the Gods have decreed." Things like chop up and animal and burn him up. If you're a woman and on your period you must say special prayers. If a man or woman is caught in adultery, then God wants them stoned to death.

Sounds to me more like manmade laws then God. I wonder what the law is in Islam or the Baha'i Faith? If not execution by rocks hitting one's head, then why is God easing up on his penalties for breaking his laws? Or is it that people won't put up with other people killing other people in the name of an unknowable invisible law-maker God? But even with the death penalty, those laws didn't work to stop the behavior. So how is a more lenient penalty going to work? And, how many people, right now, within any of the religions, follows all of the rules? And if a religious community tries to to impose its laws on its people, how well has that worked? Ah, but not to worry, someday... a new race of men will obey all the rules willingly and with a smile.

But, if all the people don't all become a "new" race of men, then what about the ones that don't? Kill 'em? Put them in a Baha'i prison? Let them run free within a "holy" and spiritual society? And Baha'is also say there will be a secular government and Baha'i laws only apply to Baha'is? So I'd imagine the new race of men will be Baha'is. So what about the people in government? If not Baha'is, they will still be the old, corrupt, lying, cheating, stealing race of men?

But, why live in the future. Let's live for now. What are Baha'is doing now? Hmmm? It seems like they're telling us about the future and the past... that Baha'u'llah came went and that in the future we will have a peaceful harmonious world.

 

[Trailblazer]

And Christians tell me it is God job and it is on schedule. But what they believe about their Bible interpretations contradicts you. And I'm sure you will say that their interpretations are wrong...

I would and I did on other threads here, sorry you missed that.

which would make them manmade. The NT... They say it is the inerrant word of God. But it was written by man and interpreted by man and many of the things it says about who God is and what God will do you say are wrong. So the NT... God made or manmade?

I do not believe that the NT is man-made. It was written by men but inspired by God.

What happened to Adam and Noah? They've been demoted from being manifestations of God?

They were Prophets but I cannot say that they were Manifestations of God, by the criteria Abdu'l-Baha laid out:

The Three Kinds of Prophets

And, what religion did Abraham found and which religion did Moses found? All four of those... Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses... how many stories in the Bible are literally and historically true? Possibly none. Yet, they are real? Hmmm...

I do not have the answers to those questions. Apparently that matters to you but it does not matter to me; and not only because I am a Baha'i, because I am not a Christian.

any chance that they are all manmade mythical characters that did manmade mythical things. Oh, and about their mythical God? Since that God in the stories does some pretty horrible things that you probably don't believe really happened. So those things, like stopping the Sun in the sky and striking people dead aren't true. They are manmade stories about their God.

I cannot understand why any of that would matter now, in this modern age, but then you must have your reasons why it matters to you.

Next problem on your rainbow of religions. How many times have Hindus told Baha'is, Krishna didn't found a religion. And the stories about Krishna are they true or mythical? So unless "founding" a religion is not part of what a manifestations does, then how do you explain this "progression"? Then do you really believe the newer one "abrogated" the previous ones on the list? Like Buddhism abrogating Judaism, Hinduism and Zoroastrianism?

It is not a linear progression, each one leading to the next.
I believe newer abrogates older, but it is a moot point what happened in the past because all the older dispensations have been abrogated according to Baha'i beliefs, although none of the older religions have been abrogated.

Fundamental Principle of Religious Truth

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

1.I agree with one's understanding that religion was first to emerge than the no-religion. Right, please?
2.I don't buy that religion was man-made, it was very natural with man. Right, please?

Regards

So why were gods around long before the idea of a single god?

Where is your evidence for a god?

 

[Spirit of Light]

So why were gods around long before the idea of a single god?

Where is your evidence for a god?

Before human realm was created, only heaven existed, God been there before any human existed.