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Are Religions and Gods manmade?

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
How many times have we been told that Baha'u'llah is the new messenger and the promised return of all the messengers ever promised in every major religion. Meaning, he is the fulfillment of all those religions. A "true" believer in any of those religions should, supposedly, recognize this and follow this new teaching from God that replaces all those old teachings. So should all people in all religions learn to get along? Yes. But is it by all of them recognizing and accepted Baha'u'llah? I think that is exactly what Baha'u'llah is saying. Unless Baha'is can show me where he says that it is okay for spiritual/religious people to keep believing in their old religion and to keep following their old prophet and not follow him.

Problem with that is that not one religion, in the way it is believed and practiced today, agrees totally with any of the other ones. Even sects within one religion don't agree with each other. And why do Baha'is say that is so? It is because of manmade traditions and manmade interpretations of the religion and its scriptures. Next question... are the scriptures from God or from man? I'm thinking man invented them and wrote them. Made laws and rules and told the people, "This is what the Gods have decreed." Things like chop up and animal and burn him up. If you're a woman and on your period you must say special prayers. If a man or woman is caught in adultery, then God wants them stoned to death.

Sounds to me more like manmade laws then God. I wonder what the law is in Islam or the Baha'i Faith? If not execution by rocks hitting one's head, then why is God easing up on his penalties for breaking his laws? Or is it that people won't put up with other people killing other people in the name of an unknowable invisible law-maker God? But even with the death penalty, those laws didn't work to stop the behavior. So how is a more lenient penalty going to work? And, how many people, right now, within any of the religions, follows all of the rules? And if a religious community tries to to impose its laws on its people, how well has that worked? Ah, but not to worry, someday... a new race of men will obey all the rules willingly and with a smile.

But, if all the people don't all become a "new" race of men, then what about the ones that don't? Kill 'em? Put them in a Baha'i prison? Let them run free within a "holy" and spiritual society? And Baha'is also say there will be a secular government and Baha'i laws only apply to Baha'is? So I'd imagine the new race of men will be Baha'is. So what about the people in government? If not Baha'is, they will still be the old, corrupt, lying, cheating, stealing race of men?

But, why live in the future. Let's live for now. What are Baha'is doing now? Hmmm? It seems like they're telling us about the future and the past... that Baha'u'llah came went and that in the future we will have a peaceful harmonious world.
One only has to look to the Plan to see how unworkable it is.

Amanaki won't drop Islam, Hockey won't drop being a witness and so on. SothePlan fails at the first hurdle, no One religion, god, unity of mankind, language, and politics.

■The oneness of God
■The essential unity of religion
■The unity of mankind
■Harmony of religion and science
■Independent investigation of truth
■The need for universal compulsory education
■The need for a universal auxiliary language
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics

I keep asking what any of this means, they keep ignoring or offer nothing excuses.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
One only has to look to the Plan to see how unworkable it is.

Amanaki won't drop Islam, Hockey won't drop being a witness and so on. SothePlan fails at the first hurdle, no One religion, god, unity of mankind, language, and politics.

■The oneness of God
■The essential unity of religion
■The unity of mankind
■Harmony of religion and science
■Independent investigation of truth
■The need for universal compulsory education
■The need for a universal auxiliary language
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics

I keep asking what any of this means, they keep ignoring or offer nothing excuses.
Oneness of God, God is the one true creator of everything

Essential of religion unity, to become one with God

Unity of mankind, to be as one, to work together as 8ne unity toward peace and love.

Harmoniy of religion and science, even we stand on totally different views of existence and answers its about accepting that we see it differently but be able to be as one no matter what.

Independent investigate of truth, to use the teachings to look from within our self to see if we as humans match the teachings of religion, if not we as humans must adult to become like the teaching ask of us.

The need for universal compulssory education, i do not believe that is possible.

The need for universal language, we have that in English language

Obediance to government and non involment in partisan politics, i dont need to be obediant to a false governmental system. Only obediance to God
 

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
Oneness of God, God is the one true creator of everything

Essential of religion unity, to become one with God

Unity of mankind, to be as one, to work together as 8ne unity toward peace and love.

Harmoniy of religion and science, even we stand on totally different views of existence and answers its about accepting that we see it differently but be able to be as one no matter what.

Independent investigate of truth, to use the teachings to look from within our self to see if we as humans match the teachings of religion, if not we as humans must adult to become like the teaching ask of us.

The need for universal compulssory education, i do not believe that is possible.

The need for universal language, we have that in English language

Obediance to government and non involment in partisan politics, i dont need to be obediant to a false governmental system. Only obediance to God
Thank you for giving us your interpretation of their Plan.

Let's look at it point by point.

■The oneness of God You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The essential unity of religion You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The unity of mankind You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■Harmony of religion and science You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■Independent investigation of truth You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The need for universal compulsory education
■The need for a universal auxiliary language
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics You agree with all the major points of Baha'is

Because any disagreement is going to lead to dissension. You can't worship your idea of god, Mohammed, the Quran. One of the major problems religion has is the disagreement of sects within a religion. Sunni/Shia, Catholic/Protestant, and so one.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Thank you for giving us your interpretation of their Plan.

Let's look at it point by point.

■The oneness of God You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The essential unity of religion You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The unity of mankind You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■Harmony of religion and science You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■Independent investigation of truth You agree with all the major points of Baha'is
■The need for universal compulsory education
■The need for a universal auxiliary language
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics You agree with all the major points of Baha'is

Because any disagreement is going to lead to dissension. You can't worship your idea of god, Mohammed, the Quran. One of the major problems religion has is the disagreement of sects within a religion. Sunni/Shia, Catholic/Protestant, and so one.
You telling me i can not worship Allah because i answer similar to what a Baha’i would do? Funny you.
 

Goddess Kit

Active Member
I have no physical evidence, i have my belief in religious teaching, that is enough for me, i have no need to prove or disprove it.

A concept I quite never understood, since for me it basically states, I know what I need to know and there is nothing more I need to know in relation to my belief, especially if it is something that could make me a non-believer.

Theists often mistake doubt for a test by their favored deity, but what if it's precisely what it is, reason attempting to inform you that mere religious faith is fallible?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
A concept I quite never understood, since for me it basically states, I know what I need to know and there is nothing more I need to know in relation to my belief, especially if it is something that could make me a non-believer.

Theists often mistake doubt for a test by their favored deity, but what if it's precisely what it is, reason attempting to inform you that mere religious faith is fallible?
I learn something new within islam every day, it is an ongoing prosess, not a blind belief i cant get away from. Yes we have the teaching, but i am only one person, my understanding of the teaching will be a little different from other muslims.
Nothing wrong in that.
 

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
You telling me i can not worship Allah because i answer similar to what a Baha’i would do? Funny you.
I'm agreeing with you, it's Baha'istelling youy that you can't.


I am truly sorry for the billions of people are confused about God, but the ONLY WAY to fix that is if everyone recognizes Baha'u'llah and reads what He wrote. Till they do that everyone will continue to believe that they have the right God and the right beliefs and atheists will remain in the dark about God.

TB posted this.​
 

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
A concept I quite never understood, since for me it basically states, I know what I need to know and there is nothing more I need to know in relation to my belief, especially if it is something that could make me a non-believer.

Theists often mistake doubt for a test by their favored deity, but what if it's precisely what it is, reason attempting to inform you that mere religious faith is fallible?
And any dissension is seen as blasphemy and the penalty is what their country/religion says.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I'm agreeing with you, it's Baha'istelling youy that you can't.


I am truly sorry for the billions of people are confused about God, but the ONLY WAY to fix that is if everyone recognizes Baha'u'llah and reads what He wrote. Till they do that everyone will continue to believe that they have the right God and the right beliefs and atheists will remain in the dark about God.

TB posted this.​
If that is Trailblazer belief she is free to believe so.
 

Goddess Kit

Active Member
Who? Me?

I dont take lessons from other than the teaching. And from what my own understanding of the Quran is.

You certainly beat around the bush rather than direct any mental attention toward what I had posted. But hey, I'm used to that when it comes to believers of a certain persuasion.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
You certainly beat around the bush rather than direct any mental attention toward what I had posted. But hey, I'm used to that when it comes to believers of a certain persuasion.

My comment was not meant as anything else then answer to your post, if that was wrong of me i will of course stop answering:)
Sorry for the trouble.
 
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