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Are Religions really about God????

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Hence after death, the soul simply goes back to supersoul.

I do not believe that God is a being but simply the Cosmic consciousness that drives energy to shape the universe. But then again, we have our definitions

According to Scripture God is a Being ( Supreme Being ) and His holy spirit is the energy to shape the universe - Psalms 104:30

Dead Adam, according to Genesis 3:19, simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Adam did Not possess a soul, or come to have a soul, rather Adam himself became a living soul according to Genesis 2:7
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and went back returning to non-life. No post-mortem life for Adam.
As Ezekiel 18:4 and Ezekiel 18:20 says the soul that sins dies.
Since the sinning soul dies then the soul or person is Not immortal or death proof.
The soul (whole person) can be destroyed according to Acts of the Apostles 3:23.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can restore us back to life. According to Scripture that person is Jesus - Revelation 1:18
We all have two (2) choices according to 2 Peter 3:9 to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed )
All the wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
I m skeptical that all religions present the truth, cuz I've no idea about the Abrahamic ones in detail.
It is said that Moksha or nirvana might be different in what they actually are, but still... There exists no suffering.
I believe when with knowledge the person or the being becomes enlightened, he sees the Self as the original remnant of the body. By this knowledge he approaches the supreme realization and by intense meditation, he gets access to more knowledge. Hence after death, the soul simply goes back to supersoul.

I do not believe that God is a being but simply the Cosmic consciousness that drives energy to shape the universe. But then again, we have our definitions


Perhaps, the truth the Abrahamics hold would be such thing as do unto others as you want done unto you. Maybe love your neighbor as yourself. I think it's hard to mess up the Love and Kindness parts.

We are Spiritual Beings in our true natures. I have direct experience to this. Being in a physical body, one has so much sensory input coming in that it's easy to be seduced into thinking the physical is all there is. This starts at a very very young age. If one talks with the very young, many children can tell the difference from their spiritual and physical selves.

I do not meditate, however I can see if a person places a focus away from the physical world, then what remains is ourselves in our true natures. Since I do know myself, I find no need to meditate. Since we are all Spiritual beings, we are all connected without meditation. On the other hand, perhaps religions who do meditate point people to the truth of who we really are.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I see humans doing god in the world, I fail to see any god doing anything.

Just as Jesus said the good news of God's kingdom would be proclaimed earth wide on an international scale - Matthew 24:14 - that is being done today - Acts of the Apostles 1:8
Over the many centuries No matter how hard people have tried to get rid of the Bible, and get rid of God's people they have Not succeeded and never will.
Things are happening globally Just as Jesus' recorded words come to pass today - Luke 21:11
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
According to Scripture God is a Being ( Supreme Being ) and His holy spirit is the energy to shape the universe - Psalms 104:30

Dead Adam, according to Genesis 3:19, simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Adam did Not possess a soul, or come to have a soul, rather Adam himself became a living soul according to Genesis 2:7
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and went back returning to non-life. No post-mortem life for Adam.
As Ezekiel 18:4 and Ezekiel 18:20 says the soul that sins dies.
Since the sinning soul dies then the soul or person is Not immortal or death proof.
The soul (whole person) can be destroyed according to Acts of the Apostles 3:23.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can restore us back to life. According to Scripture that person is Jesus - Revelation 1:18
We all have two (2) choices according to 2 Peter 3:9 to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed )
All the wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7


None of the lines appears in the Bhagavad Gita, Epics, Upanishads, Vedas or Puranas... But in a text that was manipulated, edited by politically motivated control freaks who wanted power and fear to control people to convert.
I'd rather believe in the words of 3 year old than even think that any of these words are actually real.
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Perhaps, the truth the Abrahamics hold would be such thing as do unto others as you want done unto you. Maybe love your neighbor as yourself. I think it's hard to mess up the Love and Kindness parts.

We are Spiritual Beings in our true natures. I have direct experience to this. Being in a physical body, one has so much sensory input coming in that it's easy to be seduced into thinking the physical is all there is. This starts at a very very young age. If one talks with the very young, many children can tell the difference from their spiritual and physical selves.

I do not meditate, however I can see if a person places a focus away from the physical world, then what remains is ourselves in our true natures. Since I do know myself, I find no need to meditate. Since we are all Spiritual beings, we are all connected without meditation. On the other hand, perhaps religions who do meditate point people to the truth of who we really are.


I was a Christian for 3 years of a liberal LGBT church, but even with their inclusivity, I found that the Bible is highly manipulated, re edited and only includes the books the priests wanted to include.
So I left it.

We all have our gifts... Some see the dead, some can come out of their body at any time, etc.
I believe in the possibility of them.
I have to meditate cuz I've not yet realized my true self. I know who I m from scriptures but realization and revelation is another thing which I need to experience like the Vishvaroopa sight of Arjuna
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
None of the lines appears in the Bhagavad Gita, Epics, Upanishads, Vedas or Puranas... But in a text that was manipulated, edited by politically motivated control freaks who wanted power and fear to control people to convert.
I'd rather believe in the words of 3 year old than even think that any of these words are actually real.

Absolutely right, because if we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon - Genesis 10:8-10 - we learn as those ancient people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their un-biblical practices and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Because of those ancient Babylonians is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious-myth practices and traditions in today's religious world.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, but makes their un-biblical teachings as wrong.
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Absolutely right, because if we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon - Genesis 10:8-10 - we learn as those ancient people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their un-biblical practices and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Because of those ancient Babylonians is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious-myth practices and traditions in today's religious world.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, but makes their un-biblical teachings as wrong.


So why bring the myth of your religion here?
We all know it was written by a man or perhaps a beggar. We don't accept false myths crafted by demon possesed men of middle east.
And it's better to worship Satan than Yahweh who rapes, kill children and tortures his own people.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Absolutely right, because if we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon - Genesis 10:8-10 - we learn as those ancient people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their un-biblical practices and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Because of those ancient Babylonians is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious-myth practices and traditions in today's religious world.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, but makes their un-biblical teachings as wrong.
Um, no. Human religion did not begin with Babylon. The indigenous Australian peoples have been there for at least 60,000 years. Babylon has nothing to do with them, for example.
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Absolutely right, because if we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon - Genesis 10:8-10 - we learn as those ancient people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their un-biblical practices and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Because of those ancient Babylonians is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious-myth practices and traditions in today's religious world.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, but makes their un-biblical teachings as wrong.


Exodus 21:20-21 – "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and
the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be
punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his
property."


Colossians 3:22-24 – "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything;
and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with
sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work
at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you
know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It
is the Lord Christ you are serving."


Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear,
and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."


1 Peter 2:13 - "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority
instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority."


1 Peter 2:18 - "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect,
not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those
who are harsh."


1 Timothy 6:1 - "1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider
their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching
may not be slandered."

Exodus 21:1-4, only refers to freeing Hebrew slaves. Foreign slaves are
forever your property, to be passed down to your children (in contrast to
Israelite slaves):


Leviticus 25:44-46 – Your male and female slaves are to come from the
nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy
some of the temporary residents living among you and members of
their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
You can will them to your children as inherited property and can
make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites
ruthlessly.


Deuteronomy 20:10-15 – When you march up to attack a city, make its
people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people
in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to
make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When
the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all
the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything
else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you
may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and
do not belong to the nations nearby.



So, I m confused... Till 1860s Christians were like Slavery is a Godly Tradition instituted by the Bible itself and these days they are against it?
Confusion while picking out whom to kill and torture and whom not to?
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Absolutely right, because if we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon - Genesis 10:8-10 - we learn as those ancient people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their un-biblical practices and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Because of those ancient Babylonians is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious-myth practices and traditions in today's religious world.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, but makes their un-biblical teachings as wrong.

And how are ancient Babylonian Religions actually wrong?

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And how are ancient Babylonian Religions actually wrong?
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The world's religions vary in beliefs even within Christendom. Christendom even thinks ' go to any one house of worship ' as being fine.
However, going by the teachings of Jesus at Matthew 7:21-23 then there are many imitation Christians ( weed/tares Christians )
Not doing something important to Jesus makes it clear Not all beliefs are accepted by Jesus.
The similar or overlapping religious-myth practices tracing back to ancient Babylon often permeate the word's religious thinking beliefs and practices.
Besides more, Jesus taught 4 basic building pillars which include:
1) Genuine respect for God's Word which includes ones whole life style. Jesus taught we should always adjust to Scripture Not the other way around.- Matthew 28:18-20
2) Jesus taught about the use of God's name to be hallowed (be sacred). LORD is a replacement for God's name - John 17:6; John 17:26. Hallowed be God's name Not hallow a title.
3) Jesus taught God's kingdom - Daniel 2:44 - is man's true hope. Not any grass-roots efforts, but Jesus as King of God's governmental kingdom for 1,000 years will bring Peace on Earth.
4) Jesus taught a genuine mark about how deep love would go at John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love which includes Not killing others.

The religions stemming from ancient Babylon often teach an immortal soul, a death-proof soul.
Scripture teaches a mortal soul. The soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4
The soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23
At death Adam simply ' returned ' back to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
No post-mortem penalty for Adam, just returning to non-life.
Teaching the 'dead are more alive after death' is Not a biblical teaching, so the people teaching soul immortality as Scripture are wrong.
If soul immortality was scriptural there would be No need for people to be resurrected. The living do Not need a resurrection.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Ancient Israel was Never part of or in the slave-trade business.
There were No debtors prisons in ancient Israel
A person could pay off a debt by being a slave ( who was to be treated as hired help ) for only up to 7 years.- Leviticus 25:39-40
Also, didn't the Jubilee Year set slaves free ?_________ -Leviticus 25:13
 

blue taylor

Active Member
Ancient Israel was Never part of or in the slave-trade business.
There were No debtors prisons in ancient Israel
A person could pay off a debt by being a slave ( who was to be treated as hired help ) for only up to 7 years.- Leviticus 25:39-40
Also, didn't the Jubilee Year set slaves free ?_________ -Leviticus 25:13
You need to reread history.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
I was a Christian for 3 years of a liberal LGBT church, but even with their inclusivity, I found that the Bible is highly manipulated, re edited and only includes the books the priests wanted to include.
So I left it.

We all have our gifts... Some see the dead, some can come out of their body at any time, etc.
I believe in the possibility of them.
I have to meditate cuz I've not yet realized my true self. I know who I m from scriptures but realization and revelation is another thing which I need to experience like the Vishvaroopa sight of Arjuna


Yes, since holy books are written by mankind, books like the bible reflect mankind. The mistakes come when people assume those holy books come from God.

Yes, it is important to know oneself and also be true to oneself. Having that under one's belt cuts down on the wandering.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You need to reread history.

Where was there a debtor's prison in ancient Israel ?
There also were No jails just ' cities of refuge ' - Numbers 35:6; Joshua 21:13; Joshua 21:21; Joshua 21:27; Joshua 21:32; Joshua 21:38

Post a verse you would like me to re-read.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Perhaps, if one considers that religion is mankind's attempt to understand God.


I see Religion is about mankind. In the end, I see Religion is no more nor no less than a catalyst which brings out .......

I cherry picked the item to answer....

Religion is about Man's relationship to God.....true
but it's suppose to bring out the spirit of Man
 
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