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Are Republicans More Often Sheeple Compared to Democrats?

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So in other words, it means exactly what I said: they want him to be President because he's the one with an "R" behind his name, but they know he isn't moral, intelligent or otherwise fit for the office.
What Chaffetz just said.
I recall that after the Access Hollywood tape, he said he couldn't look his 15-year-old daughter in the eye and vote for Trump. Did he flip-flop after that--just because Trump would have an "R" behind his name?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's entertaining to watch both
Dems & Pubs each proclaim their superiority of independent thought.
But all the evidence presented here so far indicates that Republicans have more of a tendency to change their views and values in this election in order to "follow the leader". You are welcomed to present any evidence to the contrary.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But all the evidence presented here so far indicates that Republicans have more of a tendency to change their views and values in this election in order to "follow the leader". You are welcomed to present any evidence to the contrary.
I don't know if the 'evidence' is valid or not.
No doubt one party would be more so than the other.
But the trait afflicts many on both sides.
Do you find find solace in some study claiming Republicans have
"more of a tendency" to change in order to follow the leader?
I wonder if Democrats are looking for validation in expert claims
that they're somehow better than Republicans?
No individual is made better or worse by a study of one's nominal group.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Obviously we can't confirm that your description of your experience is accurate or true, but polls show quite different demographics for Trump supporters. People who support Trump are overwhelming white (91%)--Trump has basically no appeal to racial or ethnic minorities; 84% of Trump supporters are over 45 years old; 43% have a high school education or less; and 72% make less than $100k per year: http://www.arbiternews.com/2016/01/06/demographics-of-donald-trump-supporters/

Interestingly, those demographic figures might explain why Republicans voters in the primaries picked the one candidate who couldn't possibly win the election.

Polls by who? The mainstream that is full time in the can for SHillary? Anyway, my stats are from my own websites, some of which cover politics, and most of my comments are on my own audiences. :D Trump has high appeal with legal immigrants who are tired of being blamed for everything illegals do, and there are a large percentage of African-American voters who are voting Trump as well. (Mostly middle-class, but some lower class who are tired of the same old lies.) Trump also does well with small business owners, and the self-employed. because of 2A support.
Present all your evidence showing that the demographics of Trump supporters that I quoted are wrong.

Trump also is doing well with women and LGBT
Especially provide the evidence for that claim.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I don't know if the 'evidence' is valid or not.
No doubt one party would be more so than the other.
But the trait afflicts many on both sides.
Do you find find solace in some study claiming Republicans have
"more of a tendency" to change in order to follow the leader?
I wonder if Democrats are looking for validation in expert claims
that they're somehow better than Republicans?
No individual is made better or worse by a study of one's nominal group.
Hey if anything independents are less sheeple than an actual party affiliation. Just saying. :D
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
(and that humans are also pretty adept at finding "evidence" that suggests their group is smarter/more ethical/more honest/etc. than rival groups)
What would be some good evidence that we can point to showing that Trump supporters are "smarter/more ethical/more honest"? Obviously not their educational achievements.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Hey if anything independents are less sheeple than an actual party affiliation. Just saying. :D
Could be.
I think all this obsession with which group is better in some way is pure vanity.
Independent thinkers are to be found wherever they're found.
Even a Pub or Dem might be one, eh.
 
You haven't given us any reason to doubt the figures Mellman cited.

You haven't provided any reason to believe they can be used to explain a general truth.

Shouldn't you actually make a rigorous argument before demanding evidence from others?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You haven't provided any reason to believe they can be used to explain a general truth.
Do mere figures need to "explain a general truth"?

The figures Mellman cited certainly seem to lead to the conclusion that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to change their views and values in order to "follow the leader" this election.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I remember being struck by how the protests against the wars completely
evaporated overnite when Obama was elected. He kept Bush's policies,
eg, support for the wars, keeping Gitmo open, but there was a sudden sea
change in Democratic values which is explained only by the regime change.
So no matter what any study (no matter how sciencey) shows, Democrats
exhibit that which they decry in Republicans.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Present all your evidence showing that the demographics of Trump supporters that I quoted are wrong.

Especially provide the evidence for that claim.

We've had these conversations, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the term evidence means. Nor are you interested in searching out any yourself, so I'll save myself some time. :D

However, the largest increasing segments of gun owners are women and LGBT. They support the 2nd amendment and the Democrats and Hillary do not. At that point, there is no opinion that Trump is gaining support in those groups, despite any other claims. Most of my "opinion" actually comes from data I possess, but it's mine, personal, and I'm not sharing. :D I value other peoples privacy more than I value my ego, so kick rocks.
 
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