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Are Republicans More Often Sheeple Compared to Democrats?

Acim

Revelation all the time
For instance, two polls show that 83-84% of Republicans now give their support to Trump, whereas last year a third of Republicans said they wouldn't support Trump if he were the nominee.

These would be false numbers. It is not evidence, from the polls that this is true for all current Republicans, but only those sampled. Therefore, such wording is (clearly) erroneous. I would guess the number sampled isn't even 1% of all Republicans.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
The figures Mellman cited are not just stuff he fabricated. Obviously you haven't articulated any reason to doubt their veracity.

The way in which he wrote them are clearly fabricated. Glad I articulated why that is.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
The current Repub/Conservative group is bigotted and against equal rights for LGBT along with many other groups. This is not open for opinion or debate: it is simply a fact.

Being a B, I'm yet to learn of one thing that really any group, but let's go with Progressives, have done for the B in LGBT. Can you name such a thing?


None of what is cited here has to do with B. Not to mention how erroneous the other inferences are.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
I see Trump as more moral, more intelligent and more fit for the office.

The mind authorities might come and arrest you for thinking for yourself, and not as they do. Many are intolerant to the fact you have your own mind.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The way I see that is whoever is in office gets scapegoated for any wars happening.
Well, it's one area where the prez has great authority.
So I blame whoever is in office for whatever wrongful war they start or continue.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Well, it's one area where the prez has great authority.
So I blame whoever is in office for whatever wrongful war they start or continue.
I thought Obama helped get our troops back, or am I misremembering. Did they just send them to a different country or something? I say they cause it has to be Congress, the pres doesn't really have that much authority. Certainly not a single Senator.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Being a B, I'm yet to learn of one thing that really any group, but let's go with Progressives, have done for the B in LGBT. Can you name such a thing?
Uh...how about marriage equality, as well allowing them (including Bisexuals) to serve openly in the military. Laws preventing discrimination in the workplace. Not to mention general acceptance as part of society that one does not encounter within the conservative circles.
Remember, that as a Bisexual, you might end up wanting to marry someone of your own sex one day. That would not be allowed under conservative government.

None of what is cited here has to do with B. Not to mention how erroneous the other inferences are.
Seriously? Perhaps you have a server problem, or other problem accessing the Republican platform article that I linked. Examples of how laws based on these conservative philosophies have been used to discriminate against all elements of the LGBT community litter the news.
Perhaps there is some other form of miscommunication happening here?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I thought Obama helped get our troops back, or am I misremembering. Did they just send them to a different country or something? I say they cause it has to be Congress, the pres doesn't really have that much authority. Certainly not a single Senator.
He took too long for me.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Uh...how about marriage equality, as well allowing them (including Bisexuals) to serve openly in the military.

Marriage equality has not been achieved for bisexuals. When bisexuals can marry both of the genders they are attracted to at the same time, then you'd have a fair point. I'm thinking a bisexual would have very little problem fitting into the older version of military. Perhaps you can share a case (or 50) where a person that was only known as bisexual had issues with self identifying as bisexual and serving in the military.

Laws preventing discrimination in the workplace. Not to mention general acceptance as part of society that one does not encounter within the conservative circles.

I've honestly experienced more discrimination among homosexuals than heterosexuals. So, that nonsense doesn't fly with me. Is also why I'd rather not be lumped in with LG as a grouping, given some of their levels of discrimination, or even conversion.

Remember, that as a Bisexual, you might end up wanting to marry someone of your own sex one day. That would not be allowed under conservative government.

I'll consider marrying someone of the same gender when we live in a society where I can marry someone of both genders at the same time. Until then, I will argue that marriage equality doesn't truly exist among consenting adults.

Seriously?

Yep, seriously. The link you provided was seeking things that strike me as unconcerned with bisexuality.
- The first item, doesn't make it even a little bit clear how it impacts bisexuals, but is bias from homosexual types that I'm extremely familiar with, and that I've already spoken to (in 2 spots) of this post
- I agree with the 2nd item on the Republican platform, and don't understand how it would impact a bisexual person
- Third item doesn't deal with bisexual people, nor is it worded as such
- And 4th one as well.

So, yeah, none of them. Seriously.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Perhaps you will find this article interesting.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/on-the-liberal-bias-of-facts/?_r=0
Among other points it raises is the oft repeated phrase among conservatives that "Humpff! Your source has a liberal bias!". When the source is actually simply the facts.
Thank you. This sort of "argument" that something is necessarily false because on account of source or speaker is logically fallacious--either an association fallacy or genetic fallacy.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No pain at all.
But some demands made upon me just aren't reasonable.
It isn't reasonable for you to answer the question as to whether you've understood that one can't deduce an affirmative proposition from your absence of evidence? Why? Is that question too intellectually challenging for you?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
These would be false numbers. It is not evidence, from the polls that this is true for all current Republicans, but only those sampled. Therefore, such wording is (clearly) erroneous. I would guess the number sampled isn't even 1% of all Republicans.
Be sure to prove all of your claims here.

5. He who asserts must prove. In order to establish an assertion, the team must support it with enough evidence and logic to convince an intelligent but previously uninformed person that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it. Facts must be accurate. Visual materials are permissible, and once introduced, they become available for the opponents' use if desired.
http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~karchung/debate1.htm
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You haven't explained why 'sheeple' is a better fit than 'normal people displaying normal cognitive functioning'.
I haven't made a claim about your airy-fairy ideas of "normal people displaying cognitive functioning." If you have any such argument to make about "normal people displaying normal cognitive functioning" related to the topic here, then be sure to substantiate your claims:

5. He who asserts must prove. In order to establish an assertion, the team must support it with enough evidence and logic to convince an intelligent but previously uninformed person that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it. Facts must be accurate. Visual materials are permissible, and once introduced, they become available for the opponents' use if desired.​

http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~karchung/debate1.htm
 
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