Are Republicans More Often Sheeple Compared to Democrats?

[Nous]

No, it means Melman's article without citation is based on his opinion and it is next to impossible to substantiate an opinion.

False. He does cite his sources.

 

[Acim]

Is this to me? I don't recall asking you any such question.

That's cool. Just writing on open forum.

 

[Acim]

Be sure to prove all of your claims here.

5. He who asserts must prove. In order to establish an assertion, the team must support it with enough evidence and logic to convince an intelligent but previously uninformed person that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it. Facts must be accurate. Visual materials are permissible, and once introduced, they become available for the opponents' use if desired.
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http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~karchung/debate1.htm

I will right after OP claims are proven.

 

[Nous]

I don't wish to argue, minds change.

Chaffetz (sp?) flip-flopped only because Trump is the only candidate with an "R" behind his name.

 

[Nous]

I will right after OP claims are proven.

Quote all the claims in the OP that were not substantiated.

 

[Nous]

It's really quite funny how upset Republicans become by just a few figures showing their inconsistency or hypocrisy.

 

[Acim]

Quote all the claims in the OP that were not substantiated.

In a brief but interesting article for The Hill,

Mark Mellman cites a few figures that show Republicans tend to change their views and values in order to “follow the leader” during this election season.

For instance, two polls show that 83-84% of Republicans now give their support to Trump

whereas last year a third of Republicans said they wouldn't support Trump if he were the nominee.

Another highly informative example:

In 2011, just 36 percent of Republicans believed someone “who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically ... in their public office,” according to a PRRI Brookings poll.

Trump’s immorality being trumpeted everywhere

70 percent of Republicans were distinguishing between politicians’ private and public lives — double the number five years ago.

Here Democrats’ views also evolved, but their level of agreement with this notion rose by a far lesser 12 points.

Good luck substantiating! When you are all done, I will substantiate my claims.

 

[Nous]

Acim, were you unable to figure out how to click the link that substantiates all of my claims and provides the sources for all of the figures that Mellman cites: https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/opinion/mark-mellman/302771-mellman-follow-the-leader ?

 

[Lighthouse]

Chaffetz (sp?) flip-flopped only because Trump is the only candidate with an "R" behind his name.

If you want to go off his meaningless words, he said he changed his mind because of Hillary Clinton.
One thing that is always a constant are policies.
If he changed his mind on policies, that would rather be a large ordeal in my opinion. Trump is the only candidate with policies that resemble the "R."

 

[Revoltingest]

It isn't reasonable for you to answer the question as to whether you've understood that one can't deduce an affirmative proposition from your absence of evidence? Why? Is that question too intellectually challenging for you?

Questions with false premises aren't challenging....just unworthy of answers.

 

[Revoltingest]

As apposed to...

What he campaigned upon.
And even more radical than that, I'd have immediately ended the wars..

 

[Wu Wei]

False. He does cite his sources.

Can you show me a bibliography with sources listed, or areas within the article that point be to that bibliography?

A mention of the ABC News and Investor’s Business Daily and writing Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton or one reference to a Monmouth University poll is not citing sources.

Listen, you want to jump on a article that is based on his view of the topic and his conclusion based on that view, go for it, but don't expect me to take it as anything other than an opinion, because that is what it is.

If this helps you, if I saw an article by one of Trumps, people, or Newt Gingrich, or anyone else entrenched in the RNC, that was written the same, and made the statement that Democrats are mindless minions.... it would get the same exact response from me, it would be an opinion based what the author believed.... that is all. It is not to be taken as proof of anything other than the authors opinion

Mellman is president of The Mellman Group and has worked for Democratic candidates and causes since 1982. Current clients include the minority leader of the Senate and the Democratic whip in the House.

Mr Mellman is not about to come out and say anything positive about any other party during an presidential election year. He is deeply entrenched in the Democratic party and is hardly an unbiased source on this topic.

So it is in fact.... True. He doesn't cite his sources

I shall waste no more time on this

 

[Underhill]

What he campaigned upon.
And even more radical than that, I'd have immediately ended the wars..

I get that. But my point is the alternatives would not have been any better. I think Obama pulled us out about as early as was humanely possible.

 

[Nous]

Questions with false premises aren't challenging....just unworthy of answers.

What's the "false premise" in my question?

This is your claim of an absence of evidence:

anti-war protests evaporated upon the wars becoming Obama's.

 

[Nous]

he said he changed his mind because of Hillary Clinton.

So I guess he won't be looking his daughter in the eye anymore. How admirable of him.

 

[Revoltingest]

I get that. But my point is the alternatives would not have been any better. I think Obama pulled us out about as early as was humanely possible.

Judgements of efficacy & consequences will vary.
He chose his.
I preferred otherwise.

 

[Nous]

Can you show me a bibliography with sources listed, or areas within the article that point be to that bibliography?

A mention of the ABC News and Investor’s Business Daily and writing Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton or one reference to a Monmouth University poll is not citing sources.

Listen, you want to jump on a article that is based on his view of the topic and his conclusion based on that view, go for it, but don't expect me to take it as anything other than an opinion, because that is what it is.

If this helps you, if I saw an article by one of Trumps, people, or Newt Gingrich, or anyone else entrenched in the RNC, that was written the same, and made the statement that Democrats are mindless minions.... it would get the same exact response from me, it would be an opinion based what the author believed.... that is all. It is not to be taken as proof of anything other than the authors opinion



Mr Mellman is not about to come out and say anything positive about any other party during an presidential election year. He is deeply entrenched in the Democratic party and is hardly an unbiased source on this topic.

So it is in fact.... True. He doesn't cite his sources

I shall waste no more time on this

So as long as the figures Mellman cites can be verified, you don't have any problem with the article?

 

[Revoltingest]

So as long as the figures Mellman cites can be verified, you don't have any problem with the article?

See post #114.

 

[Nous]

See post #114.

#114 is my post, and it doesn't answer my question to Wu Wei.

You should try to concentrate on the questions you're asked about your goofy claims about something not happening.

 

[columbus]

I remember being struck by how the protests against the wars completely
evaporated overnite when Obama was elected

This is not at all my recollection. And I was out on the streets the winter of 2002.

The demonstrations fell hugely within a few months of the launch of The War Crime. Sporadic opposition to different aspects of the disaster continued. But by 2008, opposing the war was beyond irrelevant.
Then Obama ran promising, among other things, to get out of Iraq. Sensible pacifists knew he couldn't wave a magic wand at the inauguration ceremony, but we expected a pull out and there was even less reason to agitate for peace. As it slowly became clear that Obama wasn't much going to keep that promise it also became clear that he wasn't really in charge. The people who are don't give a whit about demonstrations because they are not elected and public opinion means little to them.
And now the proof is in the pudding. Obama catches flack from you for not pulling out fast enough and from @esmith for pulling out too fast.
Tom